Honey Buzz: Fall Flavors - Discussion

0:09 some viewers may find the following video disturbing viewer discretion is advised hey everyone welcome back to Bo Dev and I are doing a discussion over honey Buzz fall flavors um which is a like it is an expansion uh it looks like it would be a standalone expansion where it's like hey here's all the stuff to play the game but you weirdly do need some stuff from the base game it's like why not just make it stand alone at that point right but uh I uh it like one I didn't actually realize it was a modular expansion and those are just the best like to come out honestly just because it's like oh I don't really like the new way that the game ends I don't like the sunset thing I don't like the nectar caps I don't like that so it's like you can pick and choose what you want in the board or in the game right now my show honey Buzz to Devin a few months back um which I mean I'm assuming you really liked it game so we basically played every single module that comes in Fall flar not basically we did play every single module um so we'll just uh go through those and talk about if we liked or disliked it so Devon so we'll start from this one the Sweetwater Sunset the module that changes how the game ends game well it's certainly easier to track when it's going to end it's just like broadcasting you have this many turns left uh like well before it felt a little artificial I guess in the way the

1:40 game ends I like that it I mean you kind of have to pay attention to the stipulations that do bring it down there like six yeah was it before everything had to like you had to empty out three stack or two of The Three Stacks two of three stacks or uh I believe three of the four um markets had to hit the bottom hit the bottom and that I felt was always like unless someone was just selling just to sell cuz they didn't have anything else to do with the market so clearly you're going for the orders so that's probably the way the game's going to end but that was just kind of another way just in case um I prefer the sunset yeah it makes it more of a broad like an even steady steady uh progression towards the end versus you know you could kind of bum rush it if both players are going for Market yeah or both players are just selling you can really Rush the game yeah cuz now the way the game ends is yeah order stack becomes empty and moves down two uh resources do reach the lowest value and this all this all accumulates so it's like if a market becomes empty and like a resource reaches a lower value then it's going down by three uh last nectar tiles collected hives tile stack becomes empty um so there's a ton of different stuff that causes it to to go down so you essentially if the orders aren't what you're going for because the fall flavors add so many different ways to get points that it's like it's not just orders it's like oh I'm not even going to touch orders and I I mean I did I had a decent amount of orders but it's like

3:11 I wasn't producing a lot all of mine are very cheap uh I was barely harvesting because I was trying to go for different ways to get points that the sunset way is clearly the the way to do it and it even says so in the rule book it's like uh this module should always be included when you play with the fall flavors no matter which other modle modules are in play yeah so if you're throwing in another module it's like just do this because otherwise the game's going to take way too long M and you already score high points anyway right right so that one was just very simple to add I liked it um the next one which is kind of the biggest piece of the game is the fall fruit which is the new board that adds in um basically a pollen it's fruit and there are fruit orders that you can um that you can do uh you touched on that way more than I did so I mean it's it's they're static and constantly collectible a little more strategic versus like the pollen where it's just like oh got nothing else to do grab a pollen those it's like okay maybe I want a pair I got to be over here for that yeah uh I got to be over here for the apple and add some variety too because yes so that you can get they how have like they have a static price and then if you sell them in a bundle they give you a bonus MH yeah so I mean yeah the score is Skyrocket but what's also cool about the setup is those circular Tokens The Pear pumpkin two apples um the layout's always going to be the same but those will be different so where the

4:41 nectar tiles are those will be random and where the four um fruit tiles are going to be those are going to be random okay um so and I mean it also opens up you're not just kind of able to go up down left right you have more areas to go to um funny enough we'll talk about one of the modules in a sec but because you went so heavy on that you actually took all the buckwheat which and I only had one so that's why I went for nectar caps cuz I'm like well don't need that anymore he has all the things I can't there are no more nectar tiles for me to get so all right um I guess I'll I'll go that route but also I wanted to touch on everything mhm um it is funny because whenever we were initially thinking of the fruit it's like oh reflavored pollen like it's the it's the same but it's really not like there are tons of stuff that call out for fruit and like you said with selling there's a little more depth to the to the market without making it more complex I think texture yeah each yeah cuz there are different like there are some orders that just require a fruit doesn't matter which one but a lot of them require specific ones um and also like you said you sell them on a bundle it's like you're getting a static nine points from that plus whatever the market's at so it turns into like oh hey that was nine that's 15 that's more than I would get from trying to sell a [ __ ] ton of the same pollen right um but that's pretty much that the fall flavors uh module again out of the board and what is huge I think is the

6:12 add-on of fall orders that um have a decree action like whenever you fulfill the extra Market one cu the regular board doesn't have that these three the one that if you fill that order out it's a decree yeah and three are definitely where it's at yeah which is why it cost five coins to even get mhm so I really like that I mean overall I'm just going and say I like every module that was in the game that was added and surprisingly adding in everything at least for me wasn't overwhelming oh it was at first I I was like At first I was like the [ __ ] do I oh God there's so many ways to get points um but then I kind of eased into I'm like okay here's the here's the rotation I was able to touch on everything I mean there were things like like here's my strategy but it's like I wasn't like that I'm not even looking at that you know uh so that's the fall fruit module the next one this is actually probably the one that I focused on the most but I also didn't I I think it's just kind of there is the fall leaves module so now there are six uh tiles that are added so you remove six tiles from the base game and add in six new tiles that have these leave prints on them which are Hollow or foil which I mean they look very nice notable and they're randomly shuffled in through the the tile so now instead of just grabbing the same tile I mean I guess I do like this instead of just getting the same tile over and over it can lean you

7:42 in a different direction yeah it's like o man because now instead of the three queens decree cards there's an an a foliage card that gives you points depending on the type of foliage you get uh and funny enough there were times where I would take a tile and if it didn't have a foliage on it I almost didn't on it yeah I was like uh cuz I had one that I could pair up with cuz ours had required Pairs and I'm like man but you had so many people that like at you uh had more workers than me so you were recalling later and I'm like okay like I guess I'll get a blank boring ass tile because I don't want to spend eight workers to get to get two points I was like I'm not going to stress about that I just want action economy yeah but it was nice because I still felt like I was closing off sections mhm um while kind of being rewarded for doing so instead of getting my actions it was like o haha two points for doing that it's very nice it's very symmetrical uh didn't it wasn't like a huge swing of points where it's like cuz you know you got that one in a two-player game you got that one I got that one it's basically a wash you got the most decree tiles and I'm like damn it that's 20 points that sucks and then I got the one of two points per adjacent matching leaves and that was 10 yeah and I was like like okay you know not too bad you you got 10 points on me but other than that they're shuffled in randomly only extra extra thought yeah an extra you know extra layer to your hive something else to consider which again makes it that's kind of like

9:13 every module like everything was like we didn't completely revamp the game it's just oh a little bit more thought you know you play honey Buzz a lot things are going to get really stale I feel like here's something just to kind of spice things up a little bit so um out of all the decrees it's probably um actually I don't know I think I talked myself into liking a little bit more cuz I'm like yeah I got 10 points out of it but I think through the process of the game it was like hm and I saw those two leaves the purple leaves over there with the decree but then you had like three people there and I'm like no I'm not sending four people to get a decree tile so that was the Autumn Leaves now this one is the reason I won the game I think uh and that's the nectar caps nectar caps so in terms of Aesthetics it's stupid it's literally a clear [ __ ] cap uh that's that just has a a number on it like nothing fancy about it it doesn't even it's it doesn't even fit the theme but it's like another way of getting points that if you don't want to produce honey you just cap it off yeah I think it helps with the like in the sit situation you'd run into I'd collect all the buckweed yeah and so what do you do if you don't really want to fill any orders with the buckweed and you like are like you can't fill these orders you kind of have some useless honey sitting around you cap it off or just raw like I

10:44 mean it descends but initially it's like where originally it's like an accounting act just Five Points yeah 10 points 10 points the first one yeah exactly like in this situation when we were just playing it's like well I'm not going I cuz I have all different ones I think I was able to create all four Once mhm that's exactly what it is so I was able to get very small orders or they had to be different I couldn't like there was some early on that were too buckweed and I'm like okay I guess I'll go for that one and there's no neor tiles available to do okay I guess I'll clear that order that has the one Buck we I have and then I'll cap it and we'll just see how that works cuz it is 10 points so I think it is kind of a safe bet but it's also a lot of points in the multiplayer game there's a 10-point trophy for who has the most I feel like everyone has to kind of be in on that one I feel like it's um but if you go too hard on it it can [ __ ] you I guess if you go too aggressive with it too soon yeah it can kneecap you which is interesting yeah it's like oh I really want that 10 points or in a in a higher player count game um it goes up to 12 yeah definitely uh when you get to your like the middle into the game definitely start leaning into the C like I can't produce as much yeah it's almost like once one person starts in into it then it's like everyone has to kind of follow suit because if it's like oh 12 11 10 you like like when you just ran away with it like suddenly you have 19 points in two actions exactly yeah uh but at the same time like you sold three nectar or three

12:15 sunflowers for 15 for sure for sure and then you do you did a market sold and then did another market and sold so you actually like basically evened it out where it's like oh [ __ ] I have to hope that this works out for me mhm so so it is kind of a everyone needs to hop on it but a safe bet to be like I don't really care about orders mhm um I wouldn't add in the nectar tiles uh on its own like everything else I would be like hey let's throw this in base game Throw This module in I wouldn't be like base game throw in nectar tiles it it feels like it complement everything else in the game mhm extra layer yep and then the last one is the Harvest Festival this one I really liked um it's basically public objectives that you can claim I mean kind of like the race ones where it's first to do this gets these but you also have to make a decision on getting rid of a worker MH and getting a work getting rid of a worker in this game is huge because the more workers you have one the longer you stand out like you don't have to recall as quickly and you start making spaces expensive that it's like oh is that tile worth four bees M for me and that's why honey Buzz is great I love that decision but if it's not if you're like I'm going to be a cheap beehive go work go to the Festival go go get drunk and fill out these orders and they're just extra

13:46 points yeah um let's cash in cuz some of them are like three points per fruit order you have one point per Leaf I was going to grab this one but I didn't have a worker to grab yeah um but this one was had two points or two coins per nectar cut nectar caps and all hives M and I was like oo that'll be perfect that' be 10 points for me um but also instead of the festival stuff you can get a decree action for sending a worker yeah so like definitely again another kind of endgame um you know hurry up and you know try and uh your Hail Mary here spend the workers for the extra actions to try and get ahead but then everyone's going to be doing that right and then it fills up and that's actually away for the yeah the Sun the sunset to end it was interesting because I I felt like I was doing that early like I was like boom like that was a way that I was able I think I completed two orders that way because it's like okay I can do this market then I can use my fan to get another one and forage to get my other fall order and then I'm going to do that decree to fill out of Market fill that order and then do another decree because I just F so it like you get a lot of steamroll combo actions which is really cool like it felt really rewarding now I will say about honey buzz it kind of sucks because it's like when someone is kind of steamrolling you just have to sit here and just basically just get farted on you're just like watch me do all this cool stuff and then

15:17 you're like I'm just waiting for you to be done dude I kind of agree with that um I couldn't imagine play with what's the player this game four four I've played it three um I it's like yeah once in a while we have really cool turns or really busy you know hives and then it's just you just keep going going then you're completing orders then it just your turn just kind of keeps going hard to keep track of everything that you're doing yeah um which is cool cuz you have those turns too everyone has those turns you're excited for them but it's kind of slow there's nothing you do that will ever kind of I mean yeah the forward stuff is competing for things but like and then the orders like the game does have interaction but in the overall scheme of things whenever I place my worker and take a tile it's like okay now watch me do five actions and it's like I don't want to watch you do five actions I want it to be my turn so I can do five actions um but overall I like this because one it's kind of again a race it's an extra layer of points uh this is probably I feel like the most complex not in terms of how it works it's very simple end of your turn send a worker to either do a decree action or work mhm but it's it's because of the four things that you also have to consider now on top of the three uh Queen's orders and the foliage card so it's like at least in a two-player game it's like eight new cards that give you points um or the decree action which is a wild action so it feels good it's

16:48 really nice to have but I would almost say like if you're going to play the game and throw in that module just have that module yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't want to put it with everything else that's the one that kind of tipped it a little bit over like it's like if someone was to be like this is too much it's like that's probably the reason why it's too much the Cap's easy yeah I don't want to get Five Points I'll cap this off cuz I don't need it okay that's that I I want to put I want I want Leaf tiles okay just that's that new card what's one more foliage card on top of those three mhm um was there any of them that you didn't like oh well I'm c um there was the reason I lost no I felt like it all just adds extra layer extra texture you know descriptor words M for good stuff Sy it all added synonyms to the game um no I I enjoyed it uh a lot more uh from the core game well I'd say core game's still decent yeah core game's good yeah I I definitely like the fruit that's I I I enjoy that this whatever take it or leave it I like the theme main because I prefer fall over summer or whatever um it is I love the art like I just love that very um that those cool fall colors versus I mean I just look at the color transitions here we got we got got pink to your oranges more pink yeah and to your blue and hide sick or whatever however you pronounce pronounce the name here I'm going pull up the uh so whoever arted it arted the hell out of it it's

18:21 yeah and and hide sck or hide seek oh my God I'm going to blow up yeah there you go there you go so there's there's your two two types of art my only thing about this expansion that I don't like the storage is phenomenal like elf Creek games did a great job um unlike how they stored merchants of the dark Road um I they should be sued for what for how they wanted me to store that garbage ass game um but the storage is really good for both uh the base game and that if you have unfortunately the kickstarter which I do now which is why you have the B game of Honey bu cuz I was like ah now I can organize it but the expansion comes off so Standalone like when I was setting it up and I was like oh I guess I don't need the base game because it looks like everything is here like it has the board and then I was like oh now I get now I need the money I need the Queens cards I need the the tile board that's pretty much it that's all I pulled and the and the and the the nectar that was it everything else was new in the expansion so I'm like you you you could have thrown in the the the extra [ __ ] cards you could have made that you could have came up with new Queen's orders but I guess at the same time because it is so similar there'd be no reason to own the the fall flavors expansion if it was basically the base game just a different theme cuz yeah I mean at that point yeah they' probably be relying on the people that are already experienced with their game so I don't know yeah it'd be kind

19:53 of like and you don't want to buy the game when you already own the game so they were probably still targeting the people that were already enjoying the pre game yeah but then then my other thing it's like okay well if you want it to be an expansion like a modular expansion for a bunch of stuff I wish it was one box now instead of two boxes that have good storage inserts it's like okay well now if I want to do the modular stuff I still have to pull everything out of that and then go to my core game to pull three things out of that and now it's just weird it's just like I don't know I don't know I just storage wise it would been nice to have everything all in one right um but really it's my only complaint I think they they really did a great job with all the all the modules um and the game's fantastic cuz I won so that's that's the only reason I like games lose if I had gotten this cell off we would like tied uh uh let's let's let's recap okay so okay what were you what was your what was your number 20 40 60 80 100 no you're like 143 or 140 140 I 20 40 60 80 20 40 60 80 100 120 130 38 um yeah 38 1 43 yep you're right 143 143 this would have been what what's it 49 so 14 15 on top of my what was I at 129 so I've been like 139 so I've been at 144 got that sell off oh but you

21:24 ended the game so you would have beat me by one point I I to collect my workers I could have just thrown the guy y that recall sucks sorry sorry just maybe if I mean it's all because I put the one guy down there before I would have had the Still The One B to do it you would have but you didn't which is a real shame um but yeah it's it's really good so if you really like honey Buzz then I think the fall flavors expansion is is solid to get just be okay with having a whole separate core box pretty much um yeah so on scale of 1 to 10 what are you going to give the fall flavors um expansion yes um yeah the Euros you've introduced me to this one's very approachable um and when it's your turn the game just feels good even CU then what this game also does is like you go for the quick turns I I really enjoy the fact that everyone has to start with the same setup even though it does feel like you're copying someone but the game quickly leans into I'm now I'm doing my whole separate strategy we start off the same but boom here's what I'm doing MH it allows you to do a bunch of setups too it's like okay I'm not going to get to do anything right now but later but boy oh boy when I start getting really weird like about my thing yeah you think uh economy-wise I mean each of these is is an action and depending how you arranged them I mean you're going to have the same amount of actions roughly I mean the only difference being you know how much do you spend on for new

22:54 workers and how your longevity in your actions and when you're going to just get a skip mhm and it is also nice that the workers now instead of just having all of them you're just like I just have a bunch of workers now it's like ooh now I can do something extra with them um like I can and like because if it's getting expensive to go get decree tiles I'll do a a free decree action at the cost of a worker it just gave you extra stuff to do while also keeping the game like true to its core and not making it longer right like I mean it's just really I mean it's the same as the court game action wise I mean they modified so okay little more thought in the placement with these um let's see here you know a little more thought on the on selling and Gathering items uh I mean the Caps just added an additional action for the uh the accounting action yeah and then just a little bit of spice at the end of your turn um you know you can toss a guy to get um actions yeah so and then all of that result not really to yeah with the sunset where it's like there's six movement spots um that okay everyone's going to orders the game's going to be over real quick when the stack ends uh yeah no I think I think it's just it's very curated God I really love that cover like that fall flavors color like those colors are just really doing it for me and mainly cuz we're doing this in the middle of summer [ __ ]

24:25 summer I am over it over hot bugs and just yeah flies and if you have pets and you have to deal with fleas and it's like God I think I'll kill myself um so what you give the fall flavors oh right a number score I give four almost feel like an eight give it give it a four four five it's average yeah it's okay I mean yeah for a year uh for a Euro um God I enjoy I only play high quality trash that's a life where's the honey bus boss battler when do we get to take on that be uh yeah you know eight feels good um eight yeah it's a cool game maybe nine but I'm going to stick at eight yeah uh really good expansions I you know I recommend them yeah I think they add extra depth to the game without over complicating it mhmh which is huge cuz sometimes you get expansions and then you're like you know what I'm just I'm never going to bring this out because it's like I have to teach someone the core game and then then if I want to you know show them this expansion that's a whole another ordeal this one it's like I feel like I could throw in a modu or two to the core game and teaching someone mhm be like oh easily yeah throw in theage thing just be like oh you know what here's here's another little wrinkle MH uh which is nice um I'm also at an eight I think that the game is really good it would be a nine if there was a better storage solution but now I have to keep two boxes of Honey bus next

25:56 to each other for no reason I can't even I mean if I didn't want the I mean the inserts are very nice so at least there's that there's a silver lining there um I guess if I didn't want the inserts I could bag everything up and probably fit into the core box um but I don't want to fit in the core box I want to fit in the expansion box cuz it's better um but yeah I think I'm also agree and give it an eight so that is our thoughts on the honey Buzz fall flavors expansion let us know what you think of it in the comments below other than that like comment share and subscribe and have a wonderful whatever time ofd is for you hey everyone thank you for watching and I really hope that you enjoyed the video if you would like to see more of my content go ahead and click that subscribe button and the bell to be notified whenever I upload any new content if you feel like supporting the channel you can go ahead and click that patreon link to be taken to my patreon and any help is truly appreciated other than that stick around for any any other run throughs or reviews or cool top t or whatever I feel like putting on other than that like comment share and subscribe and have a wonderful whatever time of day it is for you