The Weekly Alaboom - December 3, 2025

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Uh hello Kabuki Kid. Good to see you. as I we wait for other people to show up. This of course is the the moment where uh we can um if you have any anything you want to ask or anything going on in the world you want to discuss. This is those moments where uh I'll allow it. Not really an ask me anything situation, but I think you know what I'm talking about.

Uh it is going to be extremely cold uh where I am right now uh in Morehead, Minnesota. It's going to be um around I think it's like -10 tonight. It's just we're going to have a cold snap, but then it's supposed to like be a high of mid20s tomorrow. So, it's just one of those weird things where it's just going to be cold for uh one day.

I actually uh I've um I do have uh like a book review I did of this book that I've got a you know just basically edit and put together. Um the the beast in Isisle 34 uh a horror novel about a werewolf. So I'll be um look for that tomorrow. I was gonna actually with that video I was gonna like also talk about and I actually referenced this in the beginning of the video if I don't cut it out is that I was going to talk about the use of um lychanthropes in uh Dn D and kind of like uh how I think that they're kind of misused in a lot of ways and also that they're just kind of the like forgotten antagonist.

you know, they people will just throw a werewolf in there and and you know, it's kind of scary or whatever because you can't affect it unless you have silver weapons or things like that. I mean, I remember in old D and D, and I'm kind of getting ahead of myself here because this is kind of be part of what I talk about as far as um you know, like throws, but I remember like if you didn't have a silvered uh a silver weapon, like you know, whether it was silver arrows or whatever, you just couldn't do damage.

um to werewolves or were rats or or whatever, right? You could have a magic weapon which would work too. Um but what I remember most is that uh Hey Scott. Um, what I remember most, I'm talking about old school D&D uh werewolves because I I read this book called um uh the the beast in 34, which is a book about a a guy who who turns into werewolf, gets attacked by a werewolf and starts turning into a werewolf.

Y >> and um like and then I did a video to talk about that book that I read uh and that'll probably be up on my channel tomorrow after I edit it or whatever. But the thing about it is that um I uh I did that that uh I I I and I wanted to talk about wear beings like you know werewolves were rats were tigers whatever uh in D&D and and so and it and like I and if I remember you you're old school D and D like me.

So, >> yep. >> You know, back in the day, like one of the things there were two things that like you almost always you made sure that your your your party had and they cost extra. One person needed to have a silver dagger in case you ran into something that that needed silver to hurt it. And then the other thing was um a mirror.

You're like, "Oh, why do I need a mirror?" And it's like, oh, well, because if you run into a Medusa, you can like >> 100% on the on the mirror >> or like or a a highly polished shield. >> Yeah. Ever since you watched Clash of the Titans, you were like >> Exactly. >> So true. >> Oh my god, it's 100% accurate.

>> But no, I remember and I remember old uh BX. Is that the Aurora Bore Alice centered in your kitchen? Uh, Scott Demer, but no. Um, I remember I remember the the the uh the starting packages. Do you remember this? Like in in in uh classic AD and like so not AD and D, you know, there was D and D and then there was AD and D and then there was like basic Dungeons and Dragons and expert Dungeons and Dragons and and of course if you really dive into, well, why were there two different versions of D and D?

Why was there basic D and D and why was there uh why was there uh AD and D? And it was all uh Giggax trying to make sure Arnison didn't get money. He was trying to make a version of Dn D where he wouldn't get where Arnison wouldn't get royalties. That's why cuz cuz when they came out with Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, he was like, "Oh, this is new." He was like, "This isn't the same thing or whatever." And then um and then Arnison was like, "Uh, no, that's my game.

You just slapped a different name on it." And they went through this big lawsuit process. >> And yeah, and then you would um and then so of course then, you know, he he won his case and so he he was owed royalties or whatever for it. And then and then they figured out a way to make they changed just enough of the rules in in basic Dn D.

Uh, if you remember correctly, they um like they changed things to like there there was no armor class 10 anymore. Armor class 9 was like the the worst armor class. And and um they uh you know, I mean they they they changed just enough, right, to like elf was a class instead of it being an ancestry or race or whichever version you want to call it.

Anyway, so uh but anyway, in that old D and D, like in in that basic and expert D and D, like you you could instead of like going through the list and buying, okay, I need to buy um iron rations and I need a candle and I need, you know, this stuff. They would sell these these packs, which was like, oh, this is adventure pack A, B, or C.

And they had like different items in them and like and you know it was like a backpack, a bed roll, you know, two weeks of food, you know, like a water skin, you know, and things like that. And and like they were slightly different and like I remember one had a silver dagger and one had a mirror, you know, it was like and the mirror and kid the mirror was like super expensive.

It was like 25 gold pieces. It was the same amount as as like a two-handed sword, you know, if you wanted to buy that. And that was the other thing. The total aside, I remember looking at um the uh uh the the game basic D and D and that the two-handed sword was super expensive, like 2540 gold or whatever.

Like it was just super expensive and it did 1d10 damage. Everybody wanted one because it did the most damage. You wanted that sword. But then the halird also did 1d10 damage and it cost seven gold. And so it was like and so because we were like playing by the rules and we're like okay well everybody's just going to get a halbird then you know everybody just so entire party these people walking around with 12 foot long staves with a big giant ax blade on the end.

I mean it just that was insane. >> And you're saying that's a problem? >> Well I mean we just I mean you just let it happen right? I mean it was just like because you're just like oh everybody gets a hell >> you know. You never really thought about the fact that it's like, oh well, you really can't take that into a tunnel or it's it's it's not gonna be effective or anything like that.

>> Yeah, totally 100%. >> We bother ourselves with trying to make everything so uh the ver similitude as they say. >> You know, it's kind of interesting with with Dragons Down, you know, there's a there's an abstraction obviously like there always is in board games. No different than you have to use some of your imagination to think you've gone to the moon and you're colonizing the moon in shackle or whatever, right?

>> But because of something tangible, right? Like I have this sword, you know, it's funny the the discussions that occur because I really should be as a half orc barbarian, I really should be able strong enough to swing this two-handed sword with one hand. There should be an exception to the rules. And it's kind of funny.

It's like it's almost like that D&D level of conversation occurring, you know, the kind of you'd have these conversations in D and D. You go, you know, and then a dungeon master would make a ruling, but you can't do that or you don't do that necessarily in board games, right? You just have to >> Yeah.

I mean, >> roll with it. >> Board games have that have that structure, right? I mean, >> yeah. >> Where it's like you can only do this. I mean, >> I remember like you you mentioned something. I remember when Descent Second Edition came out and I was like super excited because Descent first edition was an all right game.

I mean, but it had a lot of clunkiness and a lot of >> the big coffin box. >> The big coffin box. And I did sell mine finally. Like I remember I had everything for Descent First Edition. Like, and I mean everything. I had every single expansion that ever came out. All the all the little extra miniatures that they gave out, like everything.

I had every single thing for it. And somebody finally made me the offer I couldn't refuse. You know, instead of like, oh, it's like this has been sitting on my shelf for, you know, I I've played exactly, you know, I've played maybe eight hours total. And I mean, of like I even had that Road to Legend expansion that was like >> I did, >> oh, this is this is like, you know, 600 hours of adventure, you know, like that was the the the process behind it.

And but I was just like, you know, I'm never going to play this. But yeah, somebody finally did. Uh did >> I gave mine to charity and not that long ago either. I had bought when my son was really young, like three, four, five years old, four years old, and he just loved playing with the miniatures. >> Oh yeah, absolutely.

>> I owned War of the Ring for probably 20 years before I ever played it because I had bought it for him to play with the miniatures and said, "No, you know, Lord of the Rings, I'll get into that game sometime." It was like 20 years later I finally played it and it's one of my favorite games of all time and I now have >> I now have that collector's edition, you know, and this was funny.

>> Well, Aries was selling it for like 450 bucks and a friend of mine was like, "Dude, you just need you should you should get it. I'm getting it." And I said I said, "The day I spent $450 on a board game, you got to be out of your, you know, ever living mind." >> And they go, "Just go to the website." And so anyway, he was I was talking on my phone.

So anyway, I hung up. Yeah, I thought I go take a look, right? And uh I called him back about 20 minutes later, just said, "I hate you >> because I have bought every single one of them that they put out." >> Yep. Um, my whole point behind that is that Descent Second came out and I was super excited uh to play it and then and so of course it was still one versus many, you know, one person and you you you set up the board and and I remember one of one of the things and I remember I I remember vividly there was like this thing where it was like, okay, well, my dwarf fighter goes around this corner and then you as the descentke keeper or whatever whatever the word was for like, okay, well then this giant is right there and he charges forward and he swings his club and he does, you know, 8 billion points of damage to this dwarf, you know, just basically smashing him into pulp on the ground.

Uh, so he's dead. Oh, well, actually, he just pops up here at the beginning of the of the of the of the the dungeon. >> He shows up again. And you know I even more so than Dungeons and Dragons for me it was playing all those old school board games you know those Avalon Hill games where you know sorry you dead you know and Magic Realm being one of my favorite of favorites of all time you know you could be the most powerful you know hero in the whole game and one bad encounter and you go well I died and you would in magic rum you would know you were gonna die you go I don't think there's any way I could win this I am going to die.

>> Right. >> I remember. And there there were certain classes that were just destined to be dead like the wild mage and stuff like that where it was just like they were just they were just there's no way you're going to live. >> Well, and and what I liked about it and frankly that's in Dragons Now too is >> is all the all the classes or whatever.

They're not balanced per se. They have certain play styles but um you know you could kind of auto nerf. you go, hey, winning as the witch, that was a real thing, like a badge of honor in the community as opposed to going as the white knight or the black knight where you go a lot easier. >> And I and that same concept is alive in in Dragon's Down.

But anyway, >> yeah, the balancing just isn't there. It reminds me of I remember I was talking to a guy that you know RPG publisher and he like when he plays D and D he plays this incredibly stripped down version of it >> like and I mean it's it's just it's stripped down to you know the four wheels on on on the on the road and that's it.

You know what I mean? It's just like everybody everybody when you attack you do D6 damage there. You if you have a strength of 13 you get plus one. It's like you know I mean it's just it's really really he said combats are super quick and everything like that and I remember I was like he's like because we just the story is that's important and everybody's the same so nobody ever really gets upset about anything and I was like okay that makes sense you know I mean and with my group that would never work my players want to have that customization they want to see um differences in their characters and things like that it's to each their own type of thing but I remember once he said to me um he's like yeah I really made a mistake though I was like what?

And he I was he was like, "Well, I gave this this guy got a magic bow." It was like and and I I rolled it randomly and he got this like plus three magic bow. And I was like, "Oh, well, why is that?" He's like, "Well, so one of the things that they always do in my games is they always they always cast enlarge on one person because then they're a big creature.

So now now they'll do 2d6 damage. So, this guy was basically running around big, you know, shooting his bow, doing 2d6 plus three damage and everything. There's nothing in my games that have 20 or more hit points, you know. So, I mean, he's he's just laying waste to everything, you know. And I was like, "Oh, well, what are you going to do?" And he's like, "Oh, well, I mean, he's he'll die eventually.

It'll it'll go away." And I was like, "What do you mean?" He's like, "Well, no, I mean like a snake's gonna bite him eventually or something and he'll fail his poison save and he'll be dead." And then like a week later he's like, "Yeah, you know, the evil priest >> e evil priest cast sticks to snakes just like and and I rolled a one so the snakes were poisonous and he got bit bitten twice and he failed one of the saving throws.

So he was dead and so then uh then I just, you know, I I I had the cultist just grab his body and the bow and run off with it, you That was the thing about DD is you could always you could always >> solve any problem as the dungeon master by just you know >> well not be capricious about it like not just like yeah you fall in a trap pit trap and you die right I mean >> but I mean but if you if you if you were playing true old school Dn D every trap was save or die.

I mean, it was always like, oh, stone block comes down and hits you on the head. Save versus, you know, >> whatever or die, you know, right? A a giant executioner's blade falls from the ceiling, you know, save versus, you know, stunning ray or whatever. All those weird ass uh saving throws that they had like, you know, oh, you failed.

Yeah, it cuts you in two. Well, even without saving throws, like like the first, you know, five levels or so, if if you're playing like as written D&D rules, if anything attacks you, there's there's like a 50-50 shot you're dying. And and if something has claw claw bite, no, you're you're just doesn't claw claw bite.

>> They absolutely or or the or the uh the troll rend, remember that? Like, oh, it hit with both its claws, so it does 4 d6 damage to you. Is it is it just rips you apart? I mean, >> ah, and and you're dead, you know? I mean, here here's here's some uh there's that classic meme where it says, "How much damage did I take?" He's And then uh DM says, "Roll roll three six-sideds." Okay, I got an 11.

Okay, roll three six-sideds again. I got a 12. Roll three six-sideds again. I got a 14. Hey, I'm rolling up a character, aren't I? >> Oh my god, that's so funny. Hello, Jeff. Hello, Scott. Hello, Andrew. >> I saw a t-shirt the other day that I actually liked quite a bit. I pondered buying it and then I held off.

It said uh it's a it's a DND wizard and and it says I cast non-magic missile and it's it's him launching a bazooka. >> Oh, nice. >> And I'm like, okay, that's actually pretty funny. >> Um yeah, >> that background you've got, Scott. So that is me as Santa Claus. I did it as a joke at for my work. Here's the >> Yeah.

Here's the problem. >> Like you. >> Yeah. There's not that big of a difference between that >> and the real thing. >> Like every day I'm closer to where it'll be >> could be you could pass for Santa. >> Right. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> Is that not a good thing? >> This is not a good thing. Is it not like a a good thing to realize in your life that you're like, you know, I kind of look like Santa Claus.

>> Yeah. If it wasn't for this this this dark gray patch, you know, soon though. Soon that'll go away, you know, and I'll have an all-white beard, >> right? >> My hair is still really dark, though, so I don't know what I what I'm going to do there. I I just >> I've been doing these. This is This is my favorite one I do.

This is this is actually >> this is our chief revenue officer. And so I'll when I get on calls with him, I'll just like, you know, oh, I'm gonna paint some happy trees. I just think that's hysterical. >> Well, as long as you're entertaining yourself, I suppose >> 100%. 100%. >> Anyway, >> hey, I I Jeeoff, I I had noticed I mean, did uh did your Kickstarter fund >> it funded?

It's funded and it's still going. So, if you still >> How many How many days are left? >> What's that? >> How many days are left on your on your Kickstarter? >> So, I I will >> How many You said five. >> Eight. >> Eight. So, I'm I think I'm going to And I And don't worry about it. You don't have to do anything for me.

I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna do I do sometimes I talk about books I've read. I think I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna do a thing about your book and then and then throw it up on my channel and the first one because I've read that one and I'm going to tell people you should get this book and then you should go and get the second book or whatever.

Is it like a sequel or anything or is it just in the set in the same world? >> Still takes place in the Battle Stations universe, but it's not a sequel. And I I know all the online stuff says you got to do a series and give people give away the first book and let people keep rolling on to it, but that's just not how they come to me.

But maybe eventually it'll it'll all come together and be like, "Yeah, well that's the Battle Stations universe. There's all this stuff happening." >> You should you should you should post the link to your thing in the chat on on the on the YouTube if or or or say it out loud so people know where to find it.

>> What's the What's What's the name of the What is it called on the thing? Uh it is uh kickstarter.coms projects my world a fighter jocksplanetary adventure. There's hyphens in there. >> I'll see if I can figure How do I >> How do I get >> I found it. I found it. I'm gonna It's It's So just search where you can you can search for Jeff sidec >> Yeah.

Just search for Jeff sidec. But I'm gonna I have the link and I'm gonna I'm gonna post it in the thing. >> The first book is >> the first book is is http. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I will just say this, the first book was a delight. I I I read it in like a weekend. I I was, you know, because I was just I was having fun reading it.

>> Okay. and and uh and I and I backed the next one. So, um I'm excited to see the next book. So, yeah, I'm impressed. I've always Yeah, I've had I've had people like everybody like I've had my mother and my wife and random people tell me I should write a book and I have no idea where to even start.

So, >> wow. >> Page one. >> I I suppose page one. Page one, right? Page one. >> Call me Ishmael. >> I disagree. You you start where you want to end >> and then and then rewrite your first chapter later on when you realize what your beginning should have been. >> Oh yeah. >> Just just remember >> going.

>> You remember that Far Side uh one comic strip and it's just like the writer who's like pulling his hair out and he has all these like ripped up pieces of paper that said, you know, call me Marty. Call >> and like crumple call. He's just like, "Oh, I just can't do that." >> I do remember that one.

That's a good one. >> I I just read Dick this last year and uh it was u it was an ordeal. >> It is. It is a It is a product of its time. Um, I remember he wrote a book called um like the like like the Seawolf or the Sea Raider, which was even more bleak. Like it was uh and and more um what's the word we're looking for?

Like it was it was even more like existential and and very um uh myopic as far as uh in reference to like the the the purposelessness of existence, you know. It was just it was like it was even more of that. But um yeah. No, I mean but he's but Melville will be known forever uh you know for for that book.

So he must have done something right. Right. You know so >> yeah I it was really it wasn't interesting like oh I can just follow along and it just zips through. But it was fascinating an insight into what it was like to think what it was like you know in those times. It felt very real even though it was preposterous.

>> Well, yes, it was preposterous. But I mean, I think the thing about it was it was also, as you said, it was very real. It was it was it was kind of um uh it was kind of Hemingway before Hemingway, right? It was like and then he w then he got up from his from his bed and he walked to the door and then he opened the door and then he walked out onto the deck.

I mean it was it was very much like and then he shaved just you know so there was you know did you ever write about anything that he didn't do? No. I I you're going to describe anything that he does. >> I always love in books when it'll say they'll say something like he took off his coat and he put it on the chair that was there.

Like >> yes. >> Yeah. >> You're like yes. I would hope that would be a true statement. So anyway, >> no, I mean he uh he >> Excuse me. Um Yes. >> No, that would be an interesting start to a story. Uh uh he took off his coat and put it on the chair that he was hallucinating. >> Yes. Um I uh there's there's a there's a thing like that when you um uh when you when you do when you run um uh a role playinging game um there is this uh it's called like there's it goes by a lot of names but I I refer to it as open role playing where um you you get buy in from uh the people uh and and and you get buy in like in D and D like you when you say oh yeah you found a wand what does it look like and you and then you have that person describe what the wand looks like and so so there's like a buy in that where it's like instead of you telling them oh you know it's a it's a long jagged piece of you know of you know silver that that has been tarnished in several places it's like you allow them to you know come up with whatever and then all of a sudden that it means more to them and it's same kind of thing >> I'm not that creative Well, I mean, >> and I'm lazy, >> but you know, combination.

>> You were you were very creative when we played call. >> I felt it was very straight on the nose. >> No, you were you were you were very creative and and I thought you you really you really dug playing the Irish gangster. You you really you uh >> you you went all in. I mean, I like that. >> I wish he could have been a little more rough.

Well, I I I I did put the mittens on. >> Yeah, >> I did put the mittens on a little bit. Next time, next next year, next BG Con, I'll kill you all. >> Just And nobody Nobody >> escalated quickly. >> Uh >> yeah, we were damag free, right? Nobody really took it. >> Uh >> I think it was like one point of damage.

Yeah, Matthew and um both Matthew and uh Michael both had had a bout of madness which was you know >> which was you know not nobody permanently lost their their mind though. I mean it was >> it was it was fun though. I mean, I did like how you said that. Uh it's like, yeah, I'm going to burn my incriminating evidence.

Uh but I'm going to take everybody else's. And yeah, I I'll I'll make sure this stuff's safe just for later. Um hey Chad. >> Yo yo. >> Hey Jud. >> Hey Jen. >> Uh yeah. Um what? I'm trying to remember the name of that. I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to >> Were we doing any top 10 lists tonight or anything?

Was I supposed to prepare something? >> No. Yeah. No, we we we did go through the top two variety. Top 100 um >> the top 100 uh uh uh comedies and we we definitely had uh >> um some problems or whatever. Some of the things >> there was at least 30 or 40 movies that should have been on that list that were not on that list.

>> It was weird, right? It was a little too much retro. >> Yeah. And then there was a lot of like this, you know, when you're like Italian movie that nobody's ever seen, you know. >> Yeah. Like have those movies never heard of. >> Yeah. It was it was um >> and Ghostbusters wasn't on the list. >> I I have started getting all Yeah.

Ghostbusters not in the top 100 comedies. >> Should we try to find another list of movies so we could go through? >> I think I I actually found a couple I have a couple links. So, um we can we can do that. We got a ton of people right now. We could just dive into an initials if you want. >> Oh yeah, I love initials.

>> Wait, wait. Are you being legit or you just like >> I'm serious. Is it It's I love it. Except for there's that one guy who always shows up and kicks everybody's ass and I don't love it when he's here. >> He hasn't been around for a while. He's probably watching. >> So the cool thing is this is the last alibaboom that we have.

destroying it. Oh, well. >> No, no, no, no, no. While I am 53 years old. >> Oh, >> cuz in because in exactly one week's time. >> I see. >> Uh, one week from today, I I I turn 54. >> My birthday. >> Happy Happy birthday. >> Well, I mean, I don't know if I'll have this or not, I probably will be out and about doing stuff.

We'll figure it out, though. >> So, um, >> you mean you're going to go out for your 54th birthday? >> Yeah. I mean, like maybe go to a movie or I don't know, grab a meal. >> I have a movie review. >> Uh, which one? >> Uh, >> uh, rental family. >> Oh, >> talk about it after if you want to play. What's that?

>> No, it's >> so I didn't hear what you said. >> All I said was, "How was it?" But >> thumbs up. I can go into more detail later. I give it a thumb. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's actually like my second favorite of the year. Well, and the first one of course is uh um >> one battle >> one battle after another.

>> Yeah, one battle after another is like the best for sure. >> If that if that doesn't win, >> weapons is pretty is pretty close to number two, but I think rental family is a little better. I mean, >> rental family is more serious. >> Weapons, but um one battle after another, man. I mean, that was I mean, I that I still find myself thinking about that movie and just like considering it and like rolling it around in my brain.

>> Um, yeah. So, I mean, it's it's crazy and it's on like everybody's list of topics. >> You know, that talker that I watched that that guy, I forget his name, Allen, Jason Allen, something or other. >> Okay. >> He basically did a review of that and he's like he I think he missed the point. Well, what do you think the point was?

>> He was talking about the Santa Claus Club, like, you know, like I'm like, >> "Oh, okay. Yeah." >> Okay. Well, it's I don't know. I didn't want to like, you know, it looked like he was kind of missing that point of like what it was. >> Well, and that's an aspect of it, right? I mean, it's it's I mean, that's >> that's a really really I mean, without I'm trying to stay away from spoilers.

>> Don't say anything. I mean, it's just >> I haven't seen that movie yet and I really want to see it. Yeah, that's not a spoiler, >> but it's not really a spoiler, but I mean, but we won't get I won't say any I won't say any more about it. >> I do think it I do think that that is a really >> uh I mean, I can see where some people would say, "Oh, this is your attempt to talk about >> um you know, uh you know, some sort of secret society or whatever." and and it's like oh these possibly exist type of thing where like I don't really you know it's tough to believe I mean is the older I get the tougher it is for me to buy into the idea of any kind of conspiracy theory or um you know because like the old like the old statement um two people can keep a secret if one person is dead you know and it's and you know like the whole oh we never went to the moon well the sheer number of people that have to be in on that to all decide we're not going to say anything and everybody's okay.

I mean it's just it's it's it's insanity. So >> um so I mean but you know whatever. >> Anyway, tonight's initials and I do have more than one so if we decide we want to do another one we can. But tonight's initials are G as in Jif. P as in Peter and Paul, but not Mary. Pet. >> So it's Jeff. Jay. The >> wrong kind of Jeff.

>> Oh, the other Jeff. >> G. I didn't say J. I said G. >> Spelled the dumb way. Yes. >> Yes. >> That's That's not my joke, by the way. >> I know that. I know where that's from. That's >> You know where that's from? >> Watching Saturday Night Live. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. >> The stupid way. >> We're gonna spell We're gonna spell some words two different ways.

We're spell Jeff two different ways. >> Yep. >> One way with a J and the stupid way with a G. >> Hey, is that >> I rewatch that. >> That segment is so great. It's like one of the best. His best bit is still the the fact that the the terrible time traveler. >> You know where he says, >> "I don't know that one." >> Oh, it's so funny.

He goes, "You know, I think I'd be a really terrible time traveler." You like I go back to the 1920s and I'd see somebody on the phone and I'd say something like, "Hey, you know, we carry those in our pockets now." And they go, "No way. How does that work?" And he goes, "Oo, yeah, >> I don't know. >> I don't really know." Then he goes, "I think it has something to do with satellites." He goes, "What's a satellite?" Oh, yeah.

I uh probably should have mentioned. Then he goes then he has the money line. He says, "You know, I don't even think I could prove I was from the future. Who's our next president?" [Laughter] >> So good. >> I love his history of America and his history of TV also for the Grammys or for the Emmys, >> right?

>> Which is really funny. Anyway. >> Yep. Anyway. Yeah. Is that >> all right? Here we go. Clue number one of GP. >> GP. >> Justin Bieber was a part of the remix for this Sage the Gemini song. Big fans of Sage the Gemini out there. >> Sage. >> Exactly. >> I got the tattoo on my arm of Sage of Gemini.

You know what I'm saying? Ah, here we go. Number two. This is often pushed. Quer three. This was used in the Fast and Furious franchise. Oh, they >> go for it. >> A gas pedal. >> Gas pedal is correct. Gas pedal. Gas pedal. >> That's ridiculous that you got that. >> I mean, I know. I shouldn't have got that.

>> Got all those Sage Gemini albums. >> Well, the push thing is the what what gave it to me. It's like, is it a button? >> Item number two of GP. This can potentially occur at many different ages. >> Aldi [Music] >> taking a swing. >> Yeah. Growing pain. [Music] >> I think I think you were given that clue before.

Honestly, now that I have deja vu, I think I got zonked on the last time I said growing pains. Also, >> yeah, I >> I'm like just having the major deja vu ever. >> Evan's just clicking his pen right now. >> Gloomer 2. These are thrown. >> I got it now. Clue number three. >> I'm having like the most major deja vu.

>> Clue number three. >> Yeah. A nationwide 2014 survey found that this averages a cost of $985. >> You sure you didn't get this before? I don't think so. Number four, this is connected to degrees. >> I got it. I mean, come on. >> The stupid thing is I feel like we re replaying like a like something that happened in history here.

>> Number five. This most commonly feature friends and family. >> I got nothing. Here we are. Final clue. >> Gifts and money are often given to the person. >> Go ahead. >> Graduation present. Graduation party. GRADUATION PARTY. >> AH, GOOD JOB. GOOD. GOOD. GOOD CALL. Good call. >> I'll give it to him.

I'll give it to I will give it to him. I'll give it I'll give it to Jeff. I'll give it to Jeff. >> All right. Jeff with Jeff with the save. >> Yeah. With with the proper J. Blue number one connected to a great many conspiracy theories. Number two has featured the red hot chili peppers. Number three has many chambers 24.

Former presidential candidate Ben Carson said that these were created by the biblical character Joseph. Ever Ben Carson? >> Sure >> do. Little sleepy sleepy guy. >> Yeah. Corn five. These are found in Africa. Jeff. >> Great pyramids. >> Great pyramids is correct. Great pyramids. >> What did Ben Carson say about them?

>> They were made They were made by the pharaohs. They were or or the Egyptians or slave labor. They were created by one man, Joseph, in the Bible. >> Okay. So, he's an idiot. >> Got it. >> I don't even know why I show up before this game occurs. >> Clue number one. We haven't even talked about the Vikings yet, Scott.

>> Oh, I know. I'm not here super late either. >> Why do you want to Why do you want to torture yourself? >> Exactly. >> Because it's at this point it's just fun. The train wreck is so much fun. >> You just It's It's fun wondering who's going to be fired. >> Are you guys still on the hunt? >> That's No, it's not fun 40 years later, you know, when you've done it every year.

>> All right, clue number one. The Germans gave this nickname to Jane Anderson. >> Who is this? >> Who was an American broadcaster of Nazi propaganda in World War II? >> Scott, >> go for it. >> George Patton. >> Not a bad guess, though. >> This is the nickname of Tai Cobb. of of Tai Cobb. >> Yep. Clue number three >> commonly includes schnaps and Southern Comfort.

>> Yes, another four. According to Urban Dictionary, this is a hobby. Quer five connected to butts. >> Aldi. >> Go for it. >> Georgia peach. >> Georgia peach is correct >> because a peach looks like a butt. [Music] Number one, as of today, nobody still truly understands this. Number two, however, it is connected to proximity.

>> Proximity to what? >> Just proximity. Okay. >> Number three. This is connected to two objects. >> Andy, >> Andrew, >> gravitational pole. >> Gravitational pole is correct. >> I couldn't >> Oh, that's good. >> I didn't think that was the going to be the actual answer. >> Neither did I until he said it.

>> Have you ever watched >> Well, I had the gravity part, but I was like, is pull that? Is it that? But >> have you ever watched like like the like really really smart people talking about gravity and how like >> like the search for the graviton and like >> and like oh my gosh it's just if I listen to that for too long my brain starts to hurt.

Like literally it like just starts to like >> like how they just we know it exists but we don't know how it works. >> I see the Graviton every year at the fair. >> Yes. >> That was one of the best rides, man. >> Yeah. No, right. >> Man speaks truth. >> It's weird. And so is honestly electricity is still uh you know there's still a lot of basic understood stuff about electricity like they like the idea that uh it's it like a lot of people think it's like the electrons moving through a wire and that's not actually what it is.

It's like the field around the the wire itself. Uh if you've ever watched stuff for that. So, so okay, not to not to segue, but like if if because we all have we all have an electric current like because our bodies create one. >> If if you really want to mess with yourself, you can take your hands and you can put them a little bit further away.

And if you start to move them in a circle, you can actually start to feel if you pay attention, you can actually start to feel like this like this thing like it is the electric it's the electricity in your body kind of both repelling and pushing yourself like your hands. You got to move and it's it's tough once you feel it though.

It's like it's the weirdest feeling like it doesn't want your fingers like your there's like this weird like little field between your hands that it doesn't want you to crush. Yeah, you can easily. >> I'm feeling it and I'm surprised you other guys aren't just doing this because I mean if you have hands in front of you, you might as well do it.

>> I I assumed that this was the first clue and uh that it's gullibility prank. >> Oh, that's good. >> You know, and and it's it's it's the weirdest feeling. Like you can actually feel it like on a on a level you can actually kind of feel it shifting your skin even. But like and it's easy to beat. You can just you can just get past it.

But it's like it's it's weird. It's It's just I remember as a kid I figured out >> that must be your magnetic personality lens. >> A thanks buddy. >> Coin number one. This is only found in the US and Canada. Clummer 2 is connected to wind power. Number three, you can find the Black Hills here. >> Four.

>> Previous inhabitants include mammoths. Jeff, >> great plains. Great Planes is correct. Well done. >> I was waiting for the clue about them being owned by Microsoft. >> Oh yeah. >> Or their headquarters is near my house. >> Couldn't do it. >> Um Great Plain Software I remember got bought by Microsoft.

That was like this this huge company in in Fargo. It was called Great Plain Software and they >> and then they got bought by Microsoft for a bajillion dollars. >> Yep. Um, >> and now he's your governor or was or >> whatever. >> Uh, one, >> this is a situation and also the second word by itself. Number two, this takes place in court.

Corner three. It almost always follows the number 40. Climber four. You claim this with a prince Wilson or Dunlop usually five. This is accomplished in tennis. >> Oh, I actually I actually had that part in my head, but I'm I don't know what the answer is. I'm still uh I'm with you. >> Final clue. This is related to break match and set.

>> Jeffy. >> Oh, I know what it is. >> Game point. >> Game point. >> I'll be right back, guys. >> Hang on. >> Promises. Promises. >> We'll wait patiently. Well, I can't how to shut off my uh >> the court. Oh, court. Uh, >> see, did you like that? Because I said court and you're like, "Oh, it's a court with like a judge and a lawyer and witnesses and a prosecuting attorney and things like that." And it's it's to throw you off the the scent, if you will.

>> Yes. Yeah, they threw me off. You know, I You know, I like to have fun if have fun with these things. Um, who's going to win on Sunday? You think Do you think we can let Washington win so we have a even better shot to like uh get >> I want to lose every game? >> Well, we do. You want to, right? I mean, you know, thank god Miami just can't stop winning.

I mean, I guess it's like when you get to that point with your team where it's like you just want them to lose so badly that something drastically changes over the over the off season, right? >> We'll get back to that. >> But if you're like eight and eight at the end of the day, >> eight and nine, remember 17 games now because the NFL's got money.

>> Yeah. >> What about 88 and one? >> 881. >> 881. >> That's gonna be >> All right, here we go. Clue number one. We can all agree the larger the better. >> I'm gonna say an answer only. Scott only correct. >> No, don't don't make a joke. Don't make a joke. He's a sick little >> Okay. Okay. >> Number two.

>> It's a set. >> My guess still applies. >> Clue number three. Despite the name, this is not for swimming. Number four, diversity decreases the chance of extinction. >> Jeff, oh Jeffrey, >> Jean Pool, >> Jean Pool is correct. Chad. >> Yeah, >> Chad. I just want to make sure your microphone worked. >> Yep.

>> Check. Check. >> One, two, one, two. >> One. >> Talking smack. >> This is an Activision title from 1982. Uh, Activision games. >> Oh, I know this one. Aldi, >> go for it. >> Grand Prix. >> Grand Prix. Well done. Well done. >> You were an old school You were an old school video gamer, though. So, but that was a good game, too.

>> I never played that one. >> Uh, it was one of the few that my father could play cuz he could never get like the coordination down to like move, but he said, "Oh, racing games I can figure out." That's something I just move my my car back and forth and avoid the things. So, uh, clue number one, disgraced wide receiver Antonio Brown stated this was all due to this CL too.

It was released in January of 2018. Clue number three. This has more than a billion views on YouTube. Number four. On draft day, a lot of young men say this is why they were chosen by a team. Number five, this is a theological concept. >> Yeah, I I've got the I've got part of it. I I've had part of it.

I I I just don't have >> final clue. Jeff, >> God's plan. >> God's plan. >> I I was like I I was like presents that there's no way that's it. >> God's presence. >> Yeah. >> Where's the Drake Where's the Drake clue? >> Well, THAT'S THE LAST CLUE. It says appeared on the album Scorpio. >> I think you've given that clue before cuz I think I got it on that Drake clue last time you gave that.

>> Really? I use God's plan before. Like I told you, major deja vu. >> I I I've got to like come up with a different place that to find my stuff. I I like cuz I actually like a few of these I just had. Oh, that's kind of a cool one. That's kind of cool. I have no I haven't actually listed off the one that I was like, that's neat.

I I think that'd be a fun thing. And then I start looking for other stuff with those. So maybe I've done these initials before. >> All right. >> Have a Do you have a record of them somewhere? >> Yeah, they're all the YouTube episodes from past. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Go. You can go ahead and check those out.

Yeah. Just >> You know what? That's a good That's a tool for a search engine. >> Don't Don't say it. Don't say it. >> I didn't say it. I said a search engine. >> A scanner. >> Who number one? >> This is an album name by Quiet Riot and Barbara Strayand. Really? No. Barbara Stray Sands? No BS fans here.

Okay. CL. This was a series on Food Network. Groomer three. In a more perverse way, this is associated with fetishes. four. This could be films, music, video games, desserts, >> and many more. Scott, >> guilty pleasure. >> Guilty pleasure is like, >> I'm getting tired. Guilty pleasures. >> Clue number one has appeared with Austin Powers.

Number two was a playwright in a 2001 movie. Three appeared in a box in 1995. >> Go for it. >> Gwyneth Paltro. >> Oh, you sick little bastard. >> You've given this clue before, too. >> What's in the box? Well, I made >> What's in the box? >> What's in the Oh my god, that's a great clue. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> it was a period of >> uh this is the one that made me think of this to do.

Clue number one was pivotal in an episode of Black Mirror. What's in the box? Clear it too. It is popular with children. Number three is associated with Chris Rock. four appeared in the 2009 Disney movie GeForce. >> What? No fans of GeForce here? >> Clue number five. These are almost unilaterally domesticated.

Chad, go for it. Guinea pig. >> Guinea pig. Chad. >> I thought it was a gerbble. >> I thought it was a gerbble and then >> I'm sitting here reading and it just you you said something domesticated. I was like, "Oh, okay." Guinea pigs. >> Chad Chad got in with a point at the very end. Well done, Chad.

Well, >> Jeff's the big winner tonight. >> All right. Oh, congrats. >> Um, >> I think it's because of my >> No, I thought of guinea pigs. >> Yeah, I thought it was a gerbble. >> So, something that isn't guinea pigs, whatever. So, >> if you ever look up um like hamsters, you know, like little those little fuzzy rodents that like a kid, you get a kid so you can learn about death, you know, because it dies in about a year, you know, because they don't live long at all.

>> Wow. Um, no. I mean, that's what they say is they say like I mean it's one of those things where you can and you can go through like it's it's a way for children to understand it, right? You know, they get attached and then it gets sick and it dies, you know? I mean, it's just that's what gerbles do.

I mean, gerbles or for that matter uh uh uh guinea pigs like live like four or five years, but yeah, hamsters like live like a year and a half, two years. Anyway, so there was some weird island in South America that some ship in England like probably off killing whales or something and they went ashore to the island, you know, probably to like, you know, find some fresh water or who knows what, you know, just to do whatever.

And some sailor like saw these these gerbles and he was or these these hamsters and he was like, "Well, these things are cool, you know." And then he thought, "Well, I bet you my kids would love these." And So he threw a bunch in a in a cage and and he kept them on board and he fed them and of course you know they had babies and like the original ones probably died and they had babies and they had more babies and whatever and then he got them home and and he like and his kids did they loved them whatever and then some guy was like oh I you know hey you got like 7,000 of these now you know can I have a few and he's like yeah sure and then that guy gave them they had more babies and they gave them to more people and they had more babies and so on and so forth.

In the meantime, something happened on that island where basically the the hamsters got completely wiped out, like extinct. And so every single hamster that is sold in a pet store now are descendants from those hamsters that that guy took off that island and came home with. Like, so there's like, you know, whatever a million hamsters in the world right now, probably more than that, but they are all descendants of that like cage of of hamsters that that guy brought back to England because they just were eradicated from the wild.

>> I wouldn't be surprised if it was the rats that came on the ship with the the sailor that killed all the hamsters on the island. >> I mean, probably. I mean, who knows, right? So, but um yeah, I mean I just that's just cool to think of. It's just like, you know, you you go to a you go to a pet store and there's like 20 hamsters and it's like, oh, well, those are >> great great great great great great whatever, you know.

>> Wouldn't that bottleneck of their gene pool though make them um not viable? Well, I guess they don't live very long. >> No, they don't live very long. So, you know, you know, um you know, it's just uh yeah, interesting little fact. Aldi, lay it on. Lay uh lay your uh movie review. Give us your Cisco and Eert uh review of whatever.

>> It's really clever. Do you know the premise of this movie? >> Not even a little. >> Uh so am I drawing a blank on his name? >> The guy. >> He was in The Mummy. What's his name? >> Fraser. >> Brendan Frasier. >> Brandon Frasier. So he's an he's an actor that's living in Japan and he's sort of failing like he's like a washed kind of washed up a little bit.

>> Okay. >> And they they hire him to be the name of the company he starts working for is called Rental Family. So they hi like people in Japan hire this company to have him act out a role in their life like a like it could be for instance like a uh a boyfriend that they they get married to or something like like he becomes a boyfriend to be married so that the like you know the daughter can move on with her life and her parents would be happy.

That's a bit of a little bit of a spoiler in the movie. That's one small plot. Vanderplug. Vanderplug. That's his name. That's a great name. >> Wait, so he plays these roles where he plays parts of like in real life like it's people hire him to basically lie and act as like something that he's not such as a brother, a boyfriend, you know.

>> Yep. >> A father. And you know, it it's touching. There's some really interesting stuff in that movie for sure. >> I will put it on my list. >> Yeah, it's worth watching and it's all in Japan. It's cool. Lot of a lot of cool Japanese scenery and and stuff. >> Well, I I'll put it on my list of things to to check out.

Um, >> yeah. One of the one of the roles people hire is a an apologizing mistress. So, the husband will hire the mistress to apologize to the wife >> for cheating. >> Cheating on >> That's weird. >> wife, right? It's like an apology. And I guess this is a thing in Japan where the mistress apologizes to the wife.

Now, I don't know if it's a thing, but I mean, it is a thing in this movie. >> Interesting. >> So, the wife is hired or the mistress is hire hired actor actress and uh yeah, it's kind of twist of the the world. >> No, I mean that's cool. >> It's really good. And Brendon Fraser is really good. >> He is really good.

I haven't seen him in I haven't seen his any of his movies lately. So >> I I I used to like him in The Mummy in the the fun action stuff. >> Yeah. >> Well, he had a sidetrack. >> Well, now but now he's going to make now they're making the next they're making another Mummy movie. >> Didn't he win the Oscar for that whale movie?

>> Yeah, the whale. >> He was really good in that. That was surprising. That was like a real acting job, not fun popcorn movie. >> Well, this is a real >> That first Mummy movie was great. This is not a I mean I wouldn't call this movie fun, but it's interesting. >> Um, yeah, >> I also saw the second Wicked movie.

>> Oh yeah, >> that's like a B. Like I really like the first Wicked one movie. I feel like the second one added way too much more stuff that I feel did not need to be in the movie. I mean, I guess that's in the musical, but I think they've dragged it out a bit too much for two two plus hours more of that story.

So, >> well, they're going to continue making those forever apparently. So, >> Oh, are they? >> Is it is it a franchise now? >> Yeah, it's a franchise now. So, >> you'll have plenty more. >> I mean, the music is good and I like, you know, Jeff Goldblum is quite fun and the story is fun. Like it's if you don't know the wicked story, it's like a nice twist on it on the, you know, the uh >> Wizard of Oz.

>> The She's not bad. It's not her fault. That kind of thing. >> She Yeah, it's all you know, if you watch the movie, you know, she's not bad. She's not the wicked witch of the West, as they as she gets called. >> So, who was the wicked witch of the West, then? You want me to spoil it? I'm not gonna say no.

>> I I've been waiting to see. No, >> you should watch it. >> I thought the first one's great. I really loved it and the music is awesome. Second one good. Not great. Music is still good. It just dragged on a little bit too long. >> Too a little too much something. I mean, I feel like it could have been like a really really good tight three-hour movie, but of course, they wanted to split it into two movies.

>> How long was the original stage performance? >> Three hours. I think it's pretty long. >> Okay, >> I saw it. I saw it in Dallas here. It's pretty Yeah, let me see if it has a playing time. We could play. Maybe it's two hours. You know, usually musicals don't go on longer than I was going to say >> two hours.

Two hours 45. So, it's close to three. I mean, it's it's a dense story. So, um I uh there's two things I was going to ask you about. So, uh I want I wanted opinions on. Um the first one is uh The Great Library. There's like 15 days left. It's almost like at $400,000. The new big giant is out. >> I saw him posting on Facebook.

>> Yeah. So, and it's just like I saw that and I was like, "Oh, I mean that's Sida. I mean, I'm sure it'll be like, you know, layers upon layers of mechanisms and and like I went and looked at the page for like probably 10 minutes, you know, just kind of looking at it and I was like, "Oh, that that looks cool." >> It's interesting.

It's not linked to to Kickstarter. >> What do you mean? Well, usually usually the publisher will link the game to Kickstarter from BG so I can click a link from BG to see. >> Nobody ever remembers to do those things. >> But I mean, so it looks cool and there's a lot of stuff going on and and I remember somebody had asked like Vital like you know, oh well, you know, how does it compare as far as the weight goes?

And he's like, well, it'll take about an hour to teach. >> And then Yikes. And then, you know, and then then he was like, "And then, you know, it it'll probably it it takes about a, you know, between a half hour to 45 minutes to set up as well. And then to play it, it'll take a couple of hours." And and he's like, and everybody was just kind of like, and he kind of like was like, "Yeah, I know, but I mean, it's too bad that the games that I make, you know, don't, you know, like uh don't appeal to everybody, but that's this is the type of game I make or whatever.

And I admire the fact that he's he's still willing to like go out and and make these super dense games. But I mean I mean after Lizboa I'm just I'm kind of I don't know. It's just I'm weirdly I mean I really like the fact that Kbon was as simple as it was and I really liked that game and then for that matter escape plan was really fun too because it was relatively quick and simple as well.

But and and like I said, Conbon, great freaking game. But I was just like and I was sitting there and then I was like, "Oh, maybe." And then I realized, you know what, man? I don't even I I didn't even buy like the last like three that he made. I was like, I no >> inventions. >> Yeah. I I didn't I've never played Never played Speak Easy, never played Inventions, never played Weather Machine.

Like I was out. >> I was just out after that. >> Did you play on Mars? Yeah, I played on Mars. I mean, and that was good. It was >> on Mars for me was so long that by the time we started, I forgot like the first >> 10 minutes, 15 minutes. Like my brain was like, you know, like the window >> of memory, >> right?

>> What overloaded, right? It was one of those kind of like what do I do again like 10 minutes from an hour ago? Like I don't know how to start. I I always prefer to just jump in and get it wrong and get beat badly, but then an hour into playing it wrong, I understand the game better than if you spent an hour explaining it to me.

>> Well, but but here's but here's the problem with these these games though, Jeeoff, is that you literally it would it would be >> like if somehow we removed your brain and wiped out like you don't even know how to like get out of bed like that. If you just tried, I'm going to just jump into this laser game.

You would be you would be like take an action. >> How do I do it? How do I take an action? Well, just do it. You know, just like, oh, you you put a thing >> by jump in. I mean, give me five or 10 minutes of explanation and then and then start. Not not an hour. >> Yeah. I mean, >> I don't know. Like, you can I don't know if you can do that with this game.

>> With any of his games really. I'm just like, "Okay, so I you know how to get a astronaut back and forth in space." Like then what? Like there's a whole another world of board, you know, that on top of that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Tricky. >> Yeah. So, I mean, I thought that was, you know, >> I heard speak easy was pretty not too bad to learn, though.

I mean, people were playing at BGcon. >> Yeah. And I And a lot of people said very positive things about it. Um yeah. So um then the other thing and and I and I and I and I and I wanted to talk about this and not in a way that I wanted to disparage uh anything, but I got an update. I I back a lot of RPG stuff, right?

you know, and I just because I I find the books to be interesting and and they're fun to read and whatever. And there's one that, you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm waiting on and and they're like, you know, and and I don't I believe there's nothing in my mind that says that like they aren't going to deliver this one.

Isn't like some of theirs where like they just vanish and you're like, what's going on? Exactly. Um, but like they they did this big giant like, "Hey, we're going to reveal this art of of this thing." And again, the books are probably going to be great, but the whole thing is about like um uh an o it's called Bloodmore, and it's like a it's just an over-the-top like crazy Raven Loft type thing for uh OSR stuff.

Let me share my screen real quick so I can just show you. And they're like, "Here's our three things of art." And I just and it's like and art is always subjective, right? I mean, it's like who knows, you know, if if uh if if if I happen to like it and you don't, that's just the way it is, you know, whatever.

Um but this is the post. There's Oh, hey, we're going to tell you exactly. And these are the three brides of the of the thing. And the first thing I was like, why does her face look so weird? I was just like, and this is like final art. And then I had to like look and I was like why are you like showing me the epiglotus and and everything and I was like but that's that's that was fine.

It was just like it looks, you know, okay, just some like sexy vampire lady or whatever. But I also like the face just looks dumb in my opinion. I don't know. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. But that's just when I saw that I was like and this is probably the best of the three pictures. And the only reason I like this one is because in the mirror you can't see her like you know and then I was like well why can I see her arm?

than I realized like she was wearing >> I think that's the sleeve of her lingerie maybe. >> Yeah, I think that's the sleeve and so you can't see, you know, you can't see the um but then the the thing is is that like you know wouldn't you see the blood on her mouth then like in in the thing as well. So it's not it's not >> it's not consistent.

But again, >> I'm picking Harris. This is but this is the one. And I I and again, if this is what you like, this is what you like. Because I I get the impression that this is kind of gonzo over the top stuff. And it's just like, tell me you like feet without telling me you like feet. I was like, why?

What? Why are you making this as a picture? And like, why are you putting the foot in the foreground like this? It's like what? This is what we want to do for this picture. I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't back the game just out of the overt sexualization. Just not my thing. >> Yeah. Why >> Why is this giant foot like right here like in in the in the picture?

I I just I don't I don't get it. >> I've never seen that illust an illustration like that though. I mean maybe not reading the right fetish mags, but >> yeah. I mean I don't know. I guess it's unique or whatever and and whatever whatever spins your crank spins your crank. And I I I mean, but I just Yeah, I don't I don't get the the mentality with that one as far as the the the mindset of like, yeah, that's a good picture.

Let's show that as part of our preview. >> Well, what's the game like? I mean, if that's >> it's just it's just a campaign setting for like D and D, you know? It's just like they they wanted to make an over-the-top like OSR heavy uh Ravenloft type Dracula type world type of thing, you know, and and um with, you know, just just and that's and it's fine.

It's like I and I think it's for 5e if I remember correctly or it might be Shadow Dark. It might be for Shadow Dark. Yeah, it's for Shadow Dark. And it's just an over-the-top RPG thing and it was, you know, and I like, you know, and I just like reading that stuff. It gives me ideas to use in my own campaigns.

>> What kind of guardrails are there uh in the OSR um to stop people from doing um something that's blatantly obviously uh porn? >> Nothing. Nothing whatsoever. I mean the OSR you you mean there's nothing stopping anybody from just creating something that's just um yeah this is this is armor class you know like you can you like like a lot of them get by saying for use with the world's most popular RPG of all time like they don't mention it by name they don't say anything they say stuff like that >> but but OSR means that you have bought into that though >> but OSR it like it it's such you know, old school rules revival, you know, old school revival.

It's it encompasses so many different playsets like whether it is, you know, uh, Labyrinth Lord or Old School Essentials or, uh, you know, Orich or Shadow Dark or um, you know, I mean, there's one called Dragon Slayer that's out there now. I mean, everybody's got an OSR rule set that they that they've they've pumped out and they're almost all they all they all kind of work the same.

And that's like, you know, so the weird argument is that people say, "Well, you don't play D and D because you play uh this weird rule set." And then like the argument is it's kind of like um the thesis ship thing where it's just like, you know, if you is it still D&D if you've changed all these rules and altered everything?

And so Dn D is like not only is it's it's a it's a recognized identity or whatever, but I think now most people consider it as kind of like just a branding like you know if you're rolling if you're using a d20 and and to determine whether or not you hit or succeed. I think everybody and and it's fantasy based.

I think most people just consider that I don't know. I mean Chad, what would you consider to be the like the tenets of of an RPG system that's D and D like leveling? Um what >> of just any of of just any RPG system? >> Well, no. Like if you if you would say like if I mean if you sat down and played like >> I mean I'm trying to think of something.

You you sat down and played Champions the superhero game. That's nothing like Dn D. I mean but that isn't that isn't because it's you know but or if you okay let's how about this roll master. If you sat down and played roll master, you would say, "Okay, this isn't D and D because you're using a D 100." Yeah.

>> Uh, for most of the things. So, if you had to say like, you know, Shadow Dark, OSC, Dragon Slayer, Labyrinth Lord, Ori, >> all of those >> Yeah. All of those people would say, well, this this is rooted in D&D. And I'm saying I think that it was it would probably be the way that you would describe that is you'd say um uh the fact that you're using a d20 to like when you swing your sword, you're rolling a d20, you're adding adding whatever bonuses or negatives that you have and then you you're trying to hit a target number.

And that's like kind of like the integral aspect of Dean. >> Yeah. I feel like my aunt Shirley would see uh us playing with percentile and assume it was D and D. >> Yeah. >> I mean I mean the part I would say >> yeah it's just a public connotation. You you see funny dice and you see people around a table and people are going to think D and D regardless whether it's Cthulhu or D and D or what have you.

So yeah. >> Yeah. That's fair. Oh, and I I'm glad that uh that that uh well, Jeff, I'm glad both you and Jeff you and Scott, well, actually both Scots are here because I got this wonderful email and I'm not going to share it. I'm not going to share it on the screen, but I want to read this email uh that I received.

Um this is from a man named John Fia or Fail. Uh F A L. >> Yeah, I think it's in four bits. Please send them He said, "Good afternoon. I have sent you a previous letter." He called it a letter. I love that. Uh, introducing my X's and O's strategy football game. I invented this game in 1966 when I was still 20 years old and that was 60 years ago.

There hasn't been one day in any week I haven't thought about this game as I think it's the best ever. I have moved about five times since then and never forgot my original game board. It's a game of strategy as well as players coming armed with a game plan in parenthesis. Now, this is where I was like, "Oh." In 1966, I planned to go directly to Parker Brothers to sell them the idea, but could not afford the $48 roundtrip airfare from Omaha on a 90 cent per hour job.

I would be happy to show you this >> crazy >> as I'm absolutely positive you'll agree it's the best game ever. John L. Fail surveyor. >> You should have him set it up in tabletop events and play or table. >> I I was just like I like he's 80 years old. He's not going to be able to do it. >> Well, he might send you the rules.

>> I I It's a It's presumptuous of me to say that. >> I I I put it to the three of you to publish this man's game. Make a 500 500 copy print run. >> It could be a print. >> X's and O's. You can put it on game. >> I mean, it sounds like X's and O's. It's got to be a print and play, right? Like, >> yeah, I only piece of paper.

>> So, >> what' you say, Jeff? >> I only publish my own stuff. So, that >> a >> great collaborator because if you have an idea, share it with me. I'll tell you about it. I'll work with you on it. But I I don't publish anything. >> It's still learn about Game Crafter. >> Mr. Demurs, can we count on you for a 500 500 copy print run?

You cannot [Laughter] >> It could be a stretch goal for your next next Dragons Down expansion. >> There you go. >> It reminds me, by the way, I do I do have a grievance at some point. >> Just No, it's I don't know. The word grievance probably carries more weight than I intend when I say it. >> I just I read that and I want to be able to like I don't know.

I wish I could get him in touch with because there's absolutely no way in God's green earth Shane would ever say, "Oh yeah, let's do it." There's no way. There's no way, not a chance, not a chance in the world. But I do feel like I would love to talk to this guy and and and ask him about the game, you know, and I find you >> just sent an email into our submissions.

>> Oh, your into Gray Fox. It wasn't to you directly. And here's the deal. It's like maybe it is. Maybe it's the greatest game ever and it's just been sitting there. >> It's really unlikely. >> It's what? >> It's really unlikely that it's the greatest. >> It's really It's really unlikely. >> I mean, it it represents the latest in 1960s g board gaming.

>> Yeah. Even if it if he had the kernel of the best idea ever, not being tied into the whole system of knowing and learning and sharing games, it's it's like if you were to say, "Hey, I got this idea for a for an opera, but I've never played any musical instruments, and I and I don't go to music musical things, but I just I've got this idea for an opera, and I'm going to make an opera." And I would say you should probably listen to some operas and learn how to play a musical instrument.

That's that's probably where he is. But but having said that, the fact that he's an outsider could mean that he knows he has an insight rather than we always fall into, oh, it's a trick taking, oh, it's area control, oh, it's this or oh, it's that. He might have the new thing, >> right? outsider art, but is is is a thing, right?

Like people who aren't used to to music but make music themselves is is is a >> is a thing. And but the vast majority of outsider art is uh is pretty bad, >> right? >> Well, didn't you say something was going to take it to Parker Brothers? >> Yes. >> Well, yeah. And that's >> I mean, you know, Parker Brothers at the time, all those games were not great, right?

I mean, it's just one of those things where it's like the what I love about that email is just how distinct like he remembers I couldn't afford the $48 roundtrip ticket to go to Parker Brothers and present the game. >> That's an amazing thing there right there. >> Cuz I was make $48. Yeah. >> Cuz I because I couldn't make it because I was getting paid 90 cents an hour.

I love the fact that he he signs his name comma >> surveyor like to let me know the job that he did like it's just it's just so quaint. It's just so wonderfully quaint. I just I just love it and I >> and I and I just Yeah. I mean it's just one of those things where it's like >> Could you afford the uh 75 cents it would have cost to ship a prototype to Parker Brothers?

>> Oh, now you're being Now you're being snarky. Yeah, >> he probably didn't know because, you know, it's like when you're, you know, you're not in the thing. It's like you're out there and you think you have the best game. I mean, you've seen it as well as anybody that they think that, you know, this is the best idea ever.

They don't know the process or or anything like that. So, >> lot of truth there. Did you did you see Scott or um not Scott um I guess it's Jeff Engelstein's company uh printed at Kurt Vonagget game the GHQ. >> Mhm. >> No, I didn't hear anything >> where he he was trying to be a game designer before he >> became an author.

I mean he was I think it was before his first book and then the first book was not successful. It wasn't until like Slaughterhouse 5 that became really successful which was in the 70s, >> right? But it's print. It's published. >> I've seen it on shelves. >> Yeah. >> Anybody played it? >> And it's like a It's like an abstract war game, right?

Like it's got like arrows and >> Yeah, it's like World War II chess. >> Yeah, it's like a World War II chess game. >> Scott, are you are you are you hanging out on the internets posting uh pictures of your anger towards Israel? Yeah, you saw that post. Yeah, let's go talk about it here. >> It just it just popped up on my phone.

It's like and I was like, "Oh, Scott Scott's angry." Yeah. So, >> no. Hey, let me talk about my grievance real quick. >> Yeah. Go for your grievance. >> It's a simple one that we'll all probably be able to relate to. Somebody posts a an incredibly positive review of your board game. Just a player like, "Hey, here's what I love about this game.

All these things." insert person who has played the game half of a game one time who then proceeds to a crap all over the review and say why it wasn't the game for him but then literally respond to every single post after that with additional detail of how I'm an idiot for having designed this completely random game that has no point to it was pretty impressive.

I was like I was like the audacity of this person who played he didn't even he played well we didn't play the whole game and I just saw no point to anything and so then I guess half a game and you're an expert compared to people who have played the game hundreds of times. So anyway >> is this from someone who did not play Magic Realm?

Is that is that >> Yeah. And but even the person who posted the original one was a guy who who was real positive wasn't a guy who had played Magic Realm. It was just I mean it was it was it was kind of comical because he would post like in in this guy's negative posts he didn't he literally posted things that were just not in the game like this mechanic and and it literally wasn't in the game and then people would point out that it wasn't in the game and then he would say well you're clearly misunderstanding what I'm saying but then he wouldn't really explain it.

It was it was pure entertainment value. But I will say that one thing I have is a really nice community where I didn't post anything about about it. Obviously, I'm not going to respond to that kind of stuff, but uh fans of the game certainly jumped in. That's kind of fun. That's the first time I've ever had like fans of the game who get riled up or whatever.

>> That's great. >> Yeah, I built a pretty cool community. I have like almost 700 people now on my Discord server. Wow. >> So, pretty cool. >> I tagged your game in a post on the board gamegeeek group on Facebook last week. >> Someone someone wrote, "Does anybody miss playing Magic Realm?" It was like a you know, a reminiscent.

>> I saw that. I saw I saw you post that >> and I said, "If you're if you want something like Magic Realm that you can buy today and play, it's I tagged Board Game." >> Oh, awesome. Thank you for that. >> I don't think you're in that group because I think I tried to tag you and you weren't It didn't It didn't come up.

the Board Game Geek group. >> Group. Are you in that group? >> I'm in Board Game Geek, your group. Public group. 326,000 members. >> Oh, okay. Wonder why I didn't bring your name up because I tried to tag you. Let me see. If you want me to send you the link, I can >> Yeah. Yeah, do it. I'd love to see that.

>> What's it in the chat? >> Yeah. See if I can find it. I have to go back like that. It's hard to find things on FA Facebook >> 100%. It's brutal. Uh, I did it like a week ago and now I how do I refine? >> I got to my activity log. >> I How could I be expected to go back to what I did a week ago? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh-huh. >> I I I wish uh I I I wish that there was a good alternative to like the groups and the marketplace and stuff that people would migrate over to so that uh >> I think I found >> not on Facebook. >> Not on Facebook. Yeah. Like like >> I don't know, man. This is like I think it's just got a strangle hold.

>> Yeah. >> It's too good. >> It's It's >> Believe me, I I don't love it, but I mean we have 360,000 users. Like how is that like It's crazy. >> Yeah. How do you ever reach that many people in one little spot? >> Yeah. >> That's direct into their feed. >> No, it's it's it's really well and and there's not really any alternative that that could be comparable right now that that uh you know Yeah, that's that's the thing, right?

Like like I I can I I can appreciate Blue Sky over Twitter because I can have an actual chronological feed and stuff. um and and otherwise it's presenting effectively the same thing as as Twitter is. Uh whereas there's just like not that for >> there. I put the link in the chat. >> Yep. And I I'm actually on it now and I see your post.

>> Yeah, I did. And and that's awesome. Thank you for doing that. >> And someone seconded it. >> Yeah, that Mark BTO is uh he's been posting about the game on on Board Game Geek as well and he's a big fan. Really good guy. So the crazy thing like this post got 10,000 like I don't know if you can see this I can see the insights of it 10,000 posted post post reach people >> and 123 thumbs and 102 comments like just wild.

>> Yeah, that is pretty crazy. If now if they'll all just go and check out Dragons Down, I'll be happy. >> Well, if they all went and checked out Board Game Geek, that'd be cool, too. >> I'm like most people on that site don't even know what Board Game Geek is. Isn't that crazy? >> It always mind boggles me.

I'm like, you're on a group called Borg. Like, how do you not know what it is, >> right? They don't know >> 100%. >> They live in that world. >> They don't know. These poor people. >> I mean, yeah, it's uh it is a can of worms, though. I mean, those things, >> you know what's interesting about that though?

like the fact that you know, Magic Realm and stuff. The number of like I know I know a guy who owns like five copies of the game, including three of them that are mint in bots. He hasn't played the game in 30 years, right? And doesn't even remember how to play it and he really liked Dragons Down, but he had some constructive feedback for me about what I should have done.

And I always kind of chuckle about that. I'm like, you know, I think you kind of lost some of your credibility there, sir. And but the number of people that you find that you know where you bring up Magic Realm and they go, "Always wanted to try it." >> Yeah. >> But but didn't >> That's me. >> Yeah.

It's It's And by the way, sometimes, Scott, when I come to BGcon, I'll set up and I will play I will teach you magic realm and you will play the the the granddaddy of them all. The part that will boggle your mind about that game is, you know, I have spreadsheets out the wazoo for the balance of Dragons Down and all that.

I probably have 250 tabs in my sheet of all this ridiculous math to balance everything out. And the fact that Hamlin did the the roughly equivalent work that I did without a spreadsheet in his head on paper and got it as good as he did is just it makes my my brain melt. >> Yeah. >> The part about that >> is there like a interview about that game?

Is there any anywhere with that designer? >> Um yeah, there's the once in >> Was there a general general article about it or something? Yeah, the once in future. I forget. I'll I'll track it down. There were it was in it was in um general magazine. >> So, >> the funny thing about about him was that like he made that game and then people would be playing it >> and like literally when people be playing it, they'd be like, >> I don't know how this works.

And they'd have to go down the hallway and pester him. >> Yes. Yes. At Avalon Hill and it's like, "Could you come over here and and tell us how this works here?" And he'd be like, "Okay." And he come in and he, "Oh, yeah. This is how this works." Or whatever. And then uh and then he'd go back and then like a half hour later, someone goes, "Okay, we got another one.

We don't know exactly how this works." And he would just wander back there and help him with it. And yeah, >> it's pretty funny. back in the probably 15 20 years ago when when we all played through this mail serve um one of the guys had somehow made contact with Hamlin and protected it you know protected Hamlin from kind of all these people just sh barging him with questions but he he was very gracious and answering questions and it was pretty funny this you know these are people who had played the game for like 30 35 years or whatever at that 30 years at that point and we'd have these really obscure questions about how something worked, you know, or why something worked a certain way.

And he would be, "Yeah, I agonized over that decision, you know, from a mechanics perspective. It should have been this way, but that felt like a cluge." And, you know, we play tested it over, you know, over, you know, three months. And I'm like, the fact that all of this, this guy's brain must have been, you know, like my brain has like the Gilligans Island theme song in it.

And unfortunately, that's preventing me from being a better board game designer. He probably has none of that. There's no extraneous information in there. I have to think. You know, >> he also did Merchants of Venus, right? >> He did Merchants of Venus. >> Pretty amazing. That game is awesome. >> Yeah, he did Gunslinger.

Um, which is >> Yeah. So, uh, and the kind of sad thing is that he when he got out of doing games, he and he got out kind of acrimoniously. He was he was kind of like all fed up with like the infighting and and whatever. And uh, and then he was just gone. And then Bonoor found him, like somehow like got connected, tracked him down, started talking to him, started like saying, "Oh, it'd be really cool if like we could reprint, you know, these games of yours, like you know, reprint do a do a new version of Magic Realm, do a new version of Merchants of Venus and everything like that." >> And he was like, "Nope, the the game industry sucks.

Everybody sucks. I don't want to have anything to do with it." It's like and so he and he just kind of worked on being a friend of his until he finally got him to say okay we'll do Merchants of Venus and then he was like cool and then at Gen Con Stronghold Games announced the reprint of Merchant of Venus and they there was going to be a big deal and then uh as he was setting up his booth Christian Peterson of Fantasy Flight came over and goes I need to talk to you and he's like why?

And he's like you don't own the rights to uh Merchant of Venus. It's like we own the rights commission of Venus and we're announcing it and we have copies of it here >> for sale here at Gen Con. >> But it was like similar >> and he was just like so you don't and then and then so he had to go back to Richard and Richard was like see this is what [ __ ] happens in the gaming industry.

I'm out. I'm done for good. Never again. >> So how did Christian Peterson own the rights to it? because they bought all the old Avalon Hill stuff and and so it was a very murky water as to whether Avalon Hill still owned it or >> well then what happened is Fantas well yeah Hamlin you know whether the rights reverted to the designer or not and so Stronghold went in with the idea that they did but Fantasy Flight had purchased the rights from I don't think it was Avalon Hill I thought somebody else yeah like >> Hasbro B yeah well Has about Avalon Hill, but then Hasbro also let like the big thing about Magic Realm has always been that Hasbro says, "No, we don't own Magic Realm, the rights to Magic Realm." That reverted to the designer and or at least they've, you know, hinted at that, but it's always been a little murky.

So, my understanding is Fantasy Flight had actually gone to um and and purchased him from from some entity that where Hamlin wasn't involved at all. I don't know if it was Hasbro or not, but >> um anyway, >> be curious to to know that >> it was a big mess and it it soured him on it soured him on it.

>> Yeah. >> And he was like, I'm for sure done now. >> Well, he's in his 80s, too. You know, like >> Well, yeah. I mean, it's like what what's one what is he gonna get out of it now kind of thing, right? So, >> he he died uh last year. >> Oh, did he November 30th is what it was. Where did where did you find that?

>> Uh on on the internet. Uh >> yeah, >> assuming assuming it's the the correct Richard Hampton. Right. >> Well, right. So that I would love to if you have that link, I would love to see it because um >> in Wikipedia. >> Hang on. >> Yeah, post it. I would know. He was in Baltimore. >> Well, that sucks.

>> That would be sad. Um, >> he is a stub on Wikipedia. >> Maybe it's Maybe it's Maybe it's a different Richard Hamlin. If he was in Baltimore, that doesn't that doesn't match up like like other stuff >> seems to the Wikipedia is different. 1947 versus 1948. Um, or no, that's not Wikipedia. Uh, >> so can you just post you just because I've done that before too like obituary Richard Hamlin and um I've never found >> it maybe may maybe not him.

>> Oh, there's a there's an obituary from Omaha. >> Yeah, that's a different guy. >> That's a different guy. >> And the one you're looking at is >> Yeah, like the Richard Hamlin you see doesn't even mention anything about design work or anything. So, and that's not him in the photo. The only thing the only the last video I saw of him, he actually went to some small game con probably eight, nine years ago.

He was in his early 80s, I think, or late 70s at that point. And he um and there's this interview of him in a hallway. It's really hard to hear him, but you know, it's like these some magic realm nut is just like having an orgasm while talking to him. It's really a it's really a cool interview. You just can't make out so much because there's so much background noise.

And of course, he's elderly and he's talking, you know, I I would I would love nothing more than to find out where he is and send him a copy of Dragons Down, even if it's just for his family because I I got to tell you, this man saved my life when I was a kid. Like, it was it it literally saved my life, my soul, my mental health to have magic realm.

And and I have been in awe of what this man created for my entire life. I learned it when I was 10 years old. I distinctly remember crying. It was a difficult game to learn. But I I owe this man a debt that I could never repay. My hope is my my simple hope is I hope someday somebody else thinks about me in the same way.

Right. That's why >> I wasn't paying attention. >> Yeah. Got a little too deep there for a moment, didn't I? >> No, no. I mean, it's it's it's cool. I mean, like, you know, I often wonder like uh like if if I hadn't discovered D and D in like 78 or 79, like what path my life would have taken, you know?

It just became that was like the thing. And to this day, you know, still still playing D and D, looking forward. I found a website that I found back in the when I was looking for stuff in the 90s about that game. >> It's still up >> about what game? Sorry. >> Magic Real >> is the one the horrible green background.

>> The NAND It's called NAND.it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep. I think I remember that website from like >> late 90s early 2000s. >> Yeah. Informatic realm >> to that thing through that that >> Yeah, that I was just like is there anything anything here? >> Artifact. Well, there's >> I found the article that you're talking about, Scott.

>> Well, somebody posted it. >> I posted it in the in the chat. >> Oh, okay. Cool. >> There's a So, all the all the generals are on archive.org. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> It that magazine was amazing. >> It was so dense. >> It's like crazy. I have all of them in physical copy in storage and because I used to just religiously read through those, right?

You know, and then Magic Realm, you know, tried to sue the video game civilization, Sid Civilization, because they claimed they own the rights to the title because of their game civilization. and they got horribly outmaneuvered that because Civilization was a reprint by Avalon Hill and the rights expired and they this other you know whatever said what Activision or whoever it was bought the rights from the prior company and then forced Avalon Hill the all the costs and whatnot of of the legal fight to that that Avalon Hill got into just ran the company to the ground.

I actually went to the Avalon Hill headquarters in the 90s. I pitched them on a game that they accepted, but I never did. Um, and it was great. You know, I had this vision of Avalon Hill being, you know, from my childhood as being this like massive facility or whatever. And like the guy gives me the directions.

He goes, "You're driving down such and such a road and you'll come to a gas station on the left. You'll turn into the gravel driveway between the gas station and the used car dealership and sure enough and then you drive down and then you drive into Monarch Printing because it was Monarch Avalon was the parent company.

And so I drive into this gravel and I go into what is in essence a large commercial print shop and they just have printers running, printing out games, third Reich maps, all this stuff. And I walked down and they had cubicles, but the cubicles were made from like shitty old like, you know, must have bought them secondhand.

You know, the walls you you had in shitty office buildings and and boxes just piled up of [ __ ] And then you'd go and you sit and meet with the guys and you could hear the guys over the over the wall and um but it was so cool. And I met quite a few of the people that are, you know, our counters and squad leader, right?

the designers that were there. I don't remember all the names, but it was pretty cool. It was pretty cool to do. I'm glad I did it. Anyway, so if you go to nan.it, you know, right? There's a designer comments and that's the kind of the email archive of this Steve Mcnite and all the conversations he had over email with um you know with Hamlin.

It's pretty it's pretty cool to read. I mean it it's it's a bit of a slo but you know because that that woods background is a bit brutal. >> Yeah, it's it's pretty rough. >> Pretty rough. >> People said BG looks bad. >> There's a 90s website or an 80s website. people like you, you know, the internet was not around in the 80s.

>> Yeah. Right. Exactly. >> Anyway, >> that's what >> Don't bother us with technicalities. >> That That's what you should >> What was it? Tripod.com. Remember that whole >> website thing? >> You should uh you should like for uh you know uh April Fools or something just just 90s BG like >> Yeah, that's an interesting idea.

I mean, there's autoplay is so complicated now it's hard to just do that kind of We used to do those fun things back in the day. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I remember that. >> You guys remember Geekstarter? >> Yes, I do. >> Wrote that in a week. >> Kickstarter clone. Like I would say it was like 75% functional.

>> Right. >> Like it was a it was I was like I think I can do it. I did it. That was fun. I wish I had all that archived somewhere. >> Right. >> Just disappeared. By the way, if you're watching this and you like boardamegeeek.com, you should go and support. >> Yeah, we just started our uh annual sport drive.

>> We're also I got to go do my support. And then I realized, oh, I I did it like January 5th because >> Yeah, you got to do it in January to get the bank. >> Yeah. I mean, you guys are already on it. >> Yeah. I mean, by the way, just like >> And I'm not I'm not trying to brag. This is like just this year.

I was looking at analytics the other day and I was noticing like okay there's 20,000 simultaneous users on BG right the the stats this year and I hope it's real because but I have this like stinking feeling it's not our traffic is up 50% from last year >> 8 million user 8 million >> people want to talk about vampire survivors >> maybe but I'm just like is this is this the internet now is it all bots like because I can't tell >> yeah but >> 50% traffic increase >> do They do.

>> But they have they have real engagement. >> Yeah. Not just ice scrapers in their hand. Just just >> doesn't seem like it. >> How can we drive them to Dragons Down? That's all I care about. >> I mean, you know, people are finding their way. But I mean, it just kind of surprised me. I'm like, I hope this is real.

>> Yeah, that'd be awesome. >> Not a false sense of security that just makes my internet bill go higher, >> right? >> But uh can you can you leak any thoughts about what the 26 badge is going to look like? What color? >> Plaid. And you lie. >> It is the Let's say it's an absence of color. >> Okay. >> It is not It's a It's a color we have not done before.

It's not black or white, but it's a different color like that. >> Hey, have any of you guys played The Old King's Crown? >> Yes. Several times. I'm like six plays now. >> And I mean, obviously, >> I want to play it. I want >> I don't think it's for everybody, though. >> Yeah. >> Talk about it here. I I don't I you know I've seen so much about it and then I because I subscribed to it and I was really intrigued.

What kind of turned me off a little bit was and I because I almost exclusively play at four players was it gets really random is what people said and I don't know if that's true or not because like people said that about Dude Imperium and that was a hit right so with my group so >> it it is got a little bit of a randomness because you're basically playing cards face down into three different battle zones.

>> Yep. So it's bas if you play a normal game, it's five turns. >> Y >> three battles a turn. So 15 battles total. >> Yep. >> All the cards get played face down. >> Yep. >> Like and you're and you've got these cards ranging from like one zero to 12, 13, 14, 15. >> But then they got special powers. >> And they all have special powers.

They all have like all the assassins have a counter. >> Yep. >> And then all the kings can't be killed. >> Yep. Um and except they sometimes they can be. Um but it's got it's you know it's it kind of reminds me of like um uh citadels a little bit. >> Oh, interesting. Okay. >> I mean, you know, you're like I pulled the assassin and I assassinate the king.

>> Oh, well, nobody took the king this turn. You know, it's that kind it's it's not exactly that, but you're basically playing your cards face down. And there is a lot of tactical movement there in the game. Also, I don't I find it really fun. now 100% like you can play really well and just get destroyed in the in the battles and just never get any points.

>> Is this King's Crown or the old King's Crown? >> Old King's Crown. Old King's Crown. And and the teach is a little bit steep. Like your character has uh everybody has the same 12 cards. So once you learn the car, those 12 cards, you're like, "Okay, I got it." But they're they they got a learning curve on them.

And every charact or tribe or whatever they are um has five unique game powers. One a b four once per game powers and once that you can activate like an activatable power that you can use if you have a specific thing in your in your inventory. And then there's all these things called kingdom cards that go into your tableau that give you super duper powers.

So it's got a bit of a it's a I mean it's really cool. Like I I find it really fascinating as a game. >> Yep. Yep. And I don't like conflict games. Like I hate I didn't like Root and I didn't like Arcs. >> See, I think I need to I want to try it versus buy it. You know, that's the bottom line. >> That's the problem is it's hard to find.

>> Yep. >> Yeah. Pay 500 bucks if you want to get a copy. >> Is that what it is? >> What? >> Go look. >> It's 259. >> Wait, I thought about selling mine. >> What? Do they only print like five copies or something? >> 140 on eBay. Wait, he he Well, are you sure? >> 90 bucks in Gamers Guild AZ. >> Wait, who's got the 140?

>> Uh, eBay two listings. >> You're right. >> I mean, unless it unless somebody flooded the market with them. Last I looked, it was all they were all 500 bucks. But, >> right, >> it could be if it's an open bid, then that might be >> right because you're not going to actually get it for that. eBay. Nobody ever bids on on anything anymore.

>> Oh, I see what you're saying. It's also Eerie Idol Games Seal Euros 139 or best offer. That seems like a good deal if you can get it ordered. It's in Rome. >> Well, that's >> I mean, I guess that's fine if you could the shipping. Yeah. $600 from Capefir Games. That's an all-in with the expansion, >> right?

>> There's one for 264, which is pounds. So, £199. So, you have to ship it from UK. Anyway, >> I'll just bring it back. >> I think the game is cool. Like, and I don't like, like I said, I don't like the conflict games. I really don't. But this game, I don't mind it. Like, all you're doing is conflict.

It doesn't matter. You're not trying to build up anything. you just play the card and you're like you win the battle or you don't win the battle, >> right? >> And then, you know, it it has like a a cool mechanism where the whoever's in first goes first or so or have most points goes first. So, when you there's a part of the game where you get to sort of decide where you want to focus your attack and >> you can then go after that player like if you win a battle against that player, you can steal their points.

>> Yep. But all I want to play thingy bobbers and levers and knobs are just super fun. Like it's just like wow. It's cool. >> You know, I don't like like all this talk about the great library. I would have zero interest in that game because the super heavy euros that have 1,200 different ways to score points are just so monotonous and dull to me.

But something like this, I think, would be my my jam. >> Yeah, it's 15 battles. You only score one or two points per battle. There's another way to get points that's tacked on and >> right >> it's a deck builder of sorts like you get everybody's deck of 12 is identical to start >> y >> all the extra cards you can buy and stick in your deck are unique >> right >> although not not 100% unique there everybody can get a 12 card that is is the same but >> right >> all the other cards are unique >> which kind of and they're all all the powers are so diverse like it's really asymmetric Anyway, I do recommend it.

>> I've been playing recommend, >> but I don't think it's for everybody. >> Yeah, we've been playing a crap ton of Take Time >> again. >> I'm jealous. I want to finish that. >> Yeah. So, like I we got to level eight yesterday and Oh my god. >> So, you're on There's 40 puzzles in that game, right? >> Yeah, there's 40.

There's 40. >> So, you're at 32. Yeah, >> you can't beat it. >> Oh, we we just started it. We did like the first the first map and then of course we're playing three players because playing it two players I would not advocate for. I don't like >> that's not it's not good. >> No, it's it's like you deal four cards out and then you deal two cards out and when you play two cards you pick the other two cards up.

>> So you delay the cards. >> Yeah. So you can't make really good educated decisions. >> Yeah. >> But >> I like it. Three three and four. It was fine. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like do you want to know the spoiler for level eight? >> Sure. I won't remember >> one of the one of the one of the board spaces the the clock itself starts turning.

>> Really? >> Yeah. So it's like you have >> uh you'll play a card in the spot and it'll say rotating clockwise or the space will say rotate the clock counterclockwise. >> Oh, that's mindbending. >> Yeah, it was like goofy goofy goofy goofy. But how are how are the other seven levels? Like are they all good?

>> They're pretty good. They're pretty good. I mean, uh, >> it's actually 30 levels. There's four things in there, but just level eight was like, oh gosh, >> they all have challenge. They all have challenge to them, but level eight is just takes it to another level. >> Did you get to use the the sleeve of regret?

>> We have not yet. >> So, if you get a puzzle in that game you can't solve, you put it in the sleeve of regret. Yeah. When you choose not to do it and you just want to go to the next level, we just we just full force it. We just go until we get it. >> Didn't I play with you, Lance? And we could not beat the one where >> Yes.

>> It was one we just got stuck >> and then I played it. >> We did it like we were just like, "Yeah, >> they were like we got six times with like the max bonuses, everything you like all the face up cards in the world and we still couldn't do it. >> We haven't gotten any extra tokens." So, >> okay. So, it's all self-contained, just the cardboard that comes in the box.

>> Yeah. Yep. Yep. We plan >> We're at like level We're on level 13 of our Osworn campaign. We're hoping to get that done uh after Christmas before I have to leave. So, >> how's that holding up? >> It actually is pretty good. Um we're using the app from using the uh one of the the Elder Marmmont guy.

If you're a Game of Thrones fan, the Elder Marant guy, the guy that was in the the black um what was it? The Black Watch or whatever, the the guys that they were up north, uh the Elder Marmmont is the narrator for that one. And he just >> he's great. >> Yeah, he's great. And um there's the storyline is very very good for it.

I like it. I like it a lot. Um it has been it has been very good. And um over Black Friday there was a lot of sales so ended up picking up either in person or online. I finished out my Eldrich horror collection. Um >> nice. >> So yeah, bought all those. Uh Draw Steel had a sale, so I ordered a bunch of books there.

Um got a copy of Spinal Tap from the Criterion Collection >> cuz those are half off. >> Do you have a DVD player? We put it in a PlayStation. >> Okay. I think that would be the only way I could play a movie these days. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's how we do it is because they'll play Blu-rays and we'll we'll basically like in November and July all Criterion films are usually 50% off and if you have a Barnes & Noble card, it's an extra 10.

So we uh we because uh Doris has never seen Spinal Tap. So um we picked that up. We've actually been uh uh kind of building up our our our DVDs lately because we got annoyed when stuff's not available and >> Oh, don't tell me that. >> I stopped collecting years ago. >> And uh well, and and it's really easy.

Like you go to you go to, you know, a yard sale and you're like, "Is this something that I would watch more than once?" And and it's a dollar, right? Like >> that's true. Uh and and and get like box sets like seasons of things for $5. Uh and uh and like halfp price books. You're in Texas, you you get halfp price books.

You can get seasons of stuff for for like8 or $10. Um and >> that's cool. >> Speaking of that though, there I do have a minor grievance with halfp price books right now because we went over there and I was look I always look for two things. I want the Miami Vice collection and I want >> Yeah. I want to go back and watch like the old Michael Man >> rocket tubs.

>> Yeah. And they never have them. Um and then I want to watch like the all the old uh original Star Trek shows and they had a a Blu-ray box set or Blu-ray set of all the old Star Trek and they wanted $160. I was like, "What? No. >> Absolutely not. >> That's not doesn't sound high price." >> Yeah, it does not.

Do you remember buy.com? >> Yeah. >> Wasn't remember those like cheap DVDs and everything, man. I got scammed on by.com. >> Like, and then uh Overstock.com was like that was there was buy, Overstock, and Amazon when all three of them were just trying to get your money, you know? >> Crazy how there was so many things back in the day and now there's one.

>> Yeah. What's that one site that used to sell like all the like really really cheap board like the $4 board games like you would get >> or Dinky >> Tangga? >> Was it Tangga? >> Tango used to have uh deals. >> Tang. >> Yeah. >> Um >> my wedding ring. >> My wedding ring came from overstock.com. >> Don't shear your finger off with that thing.

>> It's titanium, right? Uh, tungsten. >> Tungsten. That's what I was trying to >> Yeah. Mine's titanium >> that's got that shearing scary stuff. Don't look it up. >> Oh, no. I I've read about it. Yeah. >> So, um, so I used to, so you guys know my career was spent in software. So, I used to go to go to Salt Lake City and and I would go see overstock.com and I would go o go see the the Mormon church.

So, I spent more time on Temple Square than most Mormons have. But what was always hysterical to me is you go see the go to a meeting with the Mormons and you know, you'd have a there was a dress code that you had to follow and then every meeting began with prayer, you know, for guidance and all that kind of thing.

And then I would go to Overstock and the contact I had at Overstock was one of the most foul-mouthed people I'd ever met. in one sentence. He he used the word the f-word three times in a fiveword sentence one time and I always made sure I went to the Mormon church first, >> right? >> Then I would go to overstock and not the other way around because you might slip, right?

So every time I hear Overstock, I think of those guys. >> Was that was that a Utah based company? Yeah, Overstock's headquarters was in like southwest Salt Lake City. I forget the exact city, but it was like, you know, half an hour from the ski slopes. >> I don't think I ever bought anything from Overstock.

>> I remember I get cheap books. Remember I got a I got like an $8 copy of Munchkin from there. >> From Overstock. >> Yeah, from Overstock. Yeah. Well, Overstock, you know, they bought Bed Bath and Beyond or whatever the and they've they've now basically become an online retailer version of Bed Bath and Beyond or something like that.

>> Anyway, >> uh the Do you got your internet listical, Lance? >> Oh, sorry. I was I should probably pull that up, right? >> You got one. I was the other thing was I was like when I was thinking about Christmas I I was like I was going to ask for Christmas. I was gonna ask for the Wes Anderson Criterion Collection 10 and I was just like man >> you should do it.

>> I was just it's one of No, I was like it's $300, you know, depending on where you buy it. It's between $300 to $500 depending upon where you get it. And it's just kind of like >> is it >> Yeah. And it's not and it's not every single one of his movies either. It's like >> he doesn't have them all.

>> It's just it's just 10 movies over 25 years. I mean, it's like it's one of those things where it's like >> it's 250 right now on Amazon. >> I don't know why. I don't know why. >> If you got it November, say it would been like a hundred and something. >> Yes. We all know Scott doesn't like Wes Anderson movies.

>> What? I was just wondering why you'd want all the collection of movies from a second rate director. >> Yeah, I know. Bottle Rocket, Rushmore, Royal Tanibomb, Life Aquatic, Dargiling, Fantastic, Mr. Fox, Moonrise Kingdom, Grand Budapest, Isa Dogs, French Dispatch. So, it's missing the two latest ones.

>> Over. >> Does it not have that? I watched the one. It was like a little short Wes Anderson film where it was like about like a kid and it was like a like a little V vignette series or whatever. >> That's on Netflix. >> Yeah, I watched that. That was pretty neat. Is that >> Yeah, it's where the It's the guy who could see through cards or whatever.

The gambler. >> There's like a scene in the cornfield or something. >> Yeah. >> You're thinking of science that was by Chevlin. >> Yeah, that is the only movie in a cornfield. >> That movie wasn't very good. >> Thank you, Scott. Thank you. Thank you for correcting me on movies in cornfield for 100. >> It's so crazy.

might Shyamalan had a banger first movie >> like >> crushed >> and then as >> Unbreakable Unbreakable was good. >> Unbreakable is not bad. >> I I I like most of Shaman stuff actually. >> Oh, do you? Okay. >> I won't dog it too much. >> I I I I appreciate uh because like I think people got too caught up in in there being a twist or not uh in in stuff and and I I think if if you don't if you don't get twists, >> but there was a twist in uh what was that one with uh where they're in the forest?

>> They're in the forest and I guess that one >> and I guess that one. >> I mean, I think that's a story that's well known. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And it was just one of those things where I was like, I'm thinking it's this. I was waiting in line to go see the movie and I was like, I think it's this. I think that's what the twist is going to be.

And then I >> What was that one? Was it the girl in the water or something like that? >> Yeah. With the pool. >> Yeah. Uh, that was some >> I I wasn't big on Girl in the Water, but but most of his stuff uh I'm I'm pretty I also wasn't big on uh the um his Avatar movie, but uh but uh but most of his stuff I I I think does a good job of storytelling and building the characters and cinematography and stuff and uh and so >> well all I know is if I was going if I was going to be killed by the liquid form of H2O.

I would invade a planet. >> Yes. >> Was covered in twothirds of that substance because that seems like it's >> and water >> and and and all life pretty much all life like is is is partly that particular substance as well. >> Yes, >> that's what I would do. Is the Watchers any good? Did you see The Watchers?

>> I haven't seen The Watchers. >> It's 2024. That's what I was wondering. >> I I just I I really liked Unbreakable. I like the idea of it. You know, >> Unbreakable was really good. Um I I actually So So I I liked Signs. And again, to me, Science was was like uh the the the twist, the monster was not the important thing.

Same with the village, right? like like it the the the monster wasn't the important thing. The the the the cool part was uh was the characters and the build. >> Yep. Agree. >> I remember the thing about the village that that that bothered me is that like they just admittedly he realized at some point, wait a minute, you'd see planes fly overhead and it's just like and so they had to like throw in this this like basically >> like explosion.

Oh, they they paid money so you can't violate the airspace. And I'm like, no, they they don't have that kind of money. They don't have the like ridiculously, you know, and and the fact that at night you'd see satellites go overhead and and like all kinds of things. So, I mean, there's more to it. >> Yeah, that movie had more problems.

>> Yeah. >> I mean, Split was pretty good. I thought that was awesome, especially with that >> the cameo at the end. That was awesome. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And Glass was not good. No, that was horrible. >> This is so gonna be so good. No, >> that's gonna be so good and then I'm gonna just take a [ __ ] in the middle of the band.

>> Yeah, I think it's just the wrong story. >> Yeah, it was just >> could have done something better with that. >> So, all right. Here is Rolling Stones top 100 >> greatest sitcoms of all time. >> These are the top 100 >> greatest sitcoms of all time. And and when I found this right off the bat, they they screwed up because this should be >> way farther up on the list >> than 100.

At number 100, we have Shitz Creek, >> which if you watch Shitz, >> if you've watched Shitz Creek, that is barrel like like hold my side laughing at at uh Eugene Levy is just and the fact that the characters grow and change and you know, it it it starts off with the classic fish out of water uh you know, situation.

rich family has to go to the town where everybody is is a backwards hick, but then slowly but surely like they kind of grow and become better people and then it just becomes about a family like learning how to love each other and and be a good family. >> Is it a is it like a rested development type funny or is it more just slapstick?

>> Yeah, it's part partially I'd say partially but I mean yeah I mean is just it's just amazing. I mean it's just it's so good and Thinking we're going to get go name off all 100 at this rate. >> Well, some of these we won't know anything about, so we'll skip right by them. >> Yeah, it'll be like the next one.

Keep it going. Let's keep it going. >> I don't know. [ __ ] Greek. I've not seen >> I'm going to check out at this point. If I don't see you next week, Lance, happy birthday. >> Thanks, Jeff. >> Aldi. Uh, go Cowboys. >> That's right. They're gonna let me down. So, I know I'm not I'm only like half interested.

>> I'm gonna watch it, of course, but >> All right. Thanks, guys. I want them. >> I mean, you know, they won three in a row. >> Yeah, they won three in a row. >> Defeated two pre prior Super Bowl champions. What else do you want? >> Yeah. Well, maybe for them to win a game in January or two. >> Yeah, I'll take it.

>> That part. >> I'm sure they'll break my heart. >> We never talked about how bad the Vikings are, but I mean, the bad Vikings are so bad. >> Okay. >> What do you want to talk about? >> I don't want that. >> It's it's it's train wreck. I'll say this. Caleb and I sat down to watch >> tossing the ball behind his back.

>> Max Bromer like that's a >> forever. >> So there's there's a there's a YouTube channel. Actually, it's a radio show, but there's a you called Score North and and they talk about Vikings and just Minnesota based sports, but they they they take their best bits and they put it on YouTube on the Score North.

And for the longest time it started off with a uh like a dog in the street with a J McCarthy said after he won that game. That was like their sound bite they played and they after the Max Brford game they changed they changed it to the guy's call of like you know it's like GOING TO BE SACKED HEAVES IT UP.

Oh no Max Ros like just threw it. Did you see that? I think I said it to you, Aldi, that um it was the worst stat line. It hasn't it hadn't been replicated since 1950 and I forget what the guy's name was by of the like four interceptions, 130 yards. Um, and uh, it hadn't been replicated since 1950 by a quarterback who took time off from the NFL to go fight in World War II, lost an eye, and then came back and played a game in 1950.

And he had the exact same stat. >> Same statline. >> Same statline. >> Who do you guys play this week? >> Uh, the the the >> the Conies playing the Conies. Well, I hope we lose. >> Didn't they almost beat uh Seattle or whatever? >> They almost beat Denver. They I I give it to them, man. They went for the two-point conversion.

They were like, "We're going to win this. We're not tied." >> And they also deferred the kickoff. >> Yeah. >> And the what? >> I don't understand that. >> Well, cuz if you score a touchdown, you still get a chance to score a touchdown. The attitude is if you defer, like the whole idea was that you always took the kickoff because if you score a touchdown, you win.

But now they changed the rules where if they if that first team scores a touchdown, you get one shot to score a touchdown. And a lot of the analytics guys say you hold them >> and then get a field goal >> and then and then you get to you get to have a shot. So if you hold them, you get to take a shot at it.

>> And it's it's better because it's kind of like the pass or play in in uh in you get basically two chances. If you hold them, you you kick a field goal, you win. you like. So, sure. >> So, you just got to hold them. And then the other thing is is that >> uh you're always going for it on fourth down.

They score a touchdown, you're always going for it. I mean, you're just you're you're So, you get four downs to get 10 yards. So, it puts a lot of pressure on the defense. I I love I love the fact that they defer. I I was like, that's amazing. So, >> I think the the ref was like, "What?" >> Yeah. Yeah.

Cuz he said, "You're gonna you're you're defending." >> Yeah. He goes, kick it that way. Like, huh? Okay. >> Oh, yeah. He he didn't believe it either. So, yeah, >> they were making fun of it on the newscasters or whatever. So, >> yeah. Uh, number 99, Frank's Frank's Place. CBS 1987 to 88. >> Never saw it.

>> Yeah, it was it was uh the most hard to find show on this list is what they call it. >> Thanks, please. >> Um, >> never heard of it. >> Money VHS transfers of a couple episodes are on YouTube. The warm-hearted jam reunated W KRP creator Hugh Wilson with one of the show stars Tim Reid, who played Venus Fly Trap, for a serial comic trip to New Orleans.

He played a professor who inherits the family restaurant and travels home with the goal of selling it and leaving quickly only to fall victim to a voodoo curse that forces him to stick around and run THE [Laughter] >> uh number 98 Dairy Girls 2018 to present on Netflix. Uh, against the backdrop of the troubles in 1990s Northern Ireland, uh, headstrong Aaron, her cookie cousin Orla, uptight Claire, and party girl Michelle, plus her cousin James, stumble through teenage antics.

>> Never seen Have Have y'all seen uh The Inbetweeners? >> No. >> No. Okay. So, Inbetweeners is really good. Dairy Girls is a very similar kind of humor. Uh, I I do I I do highly recommend Inbetweeners and Dairy Girls is is good after that. >> All right, fair enough. Uh, number 97, the original Night Court, which I >> Night Court should be higher in this list in my opinion.

>> Uh, >> it's fun. >> John Larette made that made that show. He made that show hilarious after he won like best supporting actor in a in a comedy series like four times in a row. He told them take my name off the list like because he would just because he just won it over and over and over again. >> He was tired of winning.

>> Uh well, he just basically said it's not fair, let somebody else win kind of thing. Um but yeah, great stuff. Uh, number 96, Bluey, which I have often I've often represented that I think Bluey is one of the most amazing uh shows ever. You could watch it. I watch it all the time. It makes me cry. It it it it absolutely does like it it hits, but I don't consider it really a a >> comedy, >> but whatever.

>> It's a good child's cartoon, right? >> Yeah. Uh yeah. Well, I mean, but man, it it it chokes you up. >> Number 95, Bas Baskets, FX, 2016 to 2019. >> Uh, starring uh Zack Galifanakis. I don't remember this. >> Louis Anderson uh played Christine Baskets like he he uh Yeah. So, I don't remember it. Never saw it.

Whatever. Uh, Insecure HBO 2016 to present. Uh, the trials and tribulations of Iser's neurotic alter ego is a D. I've been studying the messy realities of being young, single, and perpetually lost. Never heard of it. Doesn't mean it isn't good. Um, this one I can't agree with at all. Uh, number 93, Big Mouth on Netflix.

I have tried to watch that. I've had several people say it's a good show. I've tried to watch it. It is horrible. It's not fun. It's not funny. >> Eight season. It's It's just It's just annoying. Whenever I watched it, it's just annoying. So, I could be wrong, but uh >> not for me. >> Uh number 92. >> Is pretty funny, though.

I wonder why it's not that funny for you. >> I'm so What' you say, Scott? I'm so thankful. I've never heard of these shows. >> Oh, I don't I you know, you guys know I'm not a big TV guy and I'm just I'm so thankful that most of these I'm like I got I have no idea who that is and I'm not missing anything.

I mean, I love that court. So, >> yeah, uh uh Daria on MTV. >> Oh god, that's an old one. Yeah. >> Yeah. 97 to 2002. >> Never watch. >> Think of that. >> Daria was like, it was an offshoot of Beas and Buttthead, was it? >> Yeah, I watched. >> I believe it was >> Diarrhea. Cha cha cha diarrhea. Cha cha.

>> Never saw it. >> Daria is >> all I remember from the Beas and Butad. Uh uh it's it's a good example of something you should uh get the DVD of because if you watch the streaming version of it, all the music in it that all the MTV music of it is not licensed. So >> Oh, it's they did the BTP thing >> and that was Yeah.

And that was like one of the longest problems of all time for um uh what's the one with uh Winnie and >> Wonder Years. >> Wonder Years. Wonder your they they couldn't get it into streaming for the longest time because they didn't have rights for all the music because it was all like six, you know, all all like that >> period music.

Yeah. >> Uh Buffalo Bill 1983 to 1984 starring Dabney Dabney Coleman 91. >> The Lamb's Buffalo Bill. >> Sorry. Dabney Coleman and a young Gina Davis. >> Yep. Never. I I vaguely remember that. >> Yeah, that was the first it was the first TV show where they had um where the the main character was just a total heel and and not likable and they think that's why it failed because that we weren't ready for kind of this where >> the office it was a precursor to the office.

>> Yeah, kind of like that. He was just kind of a jerk and uh I remember I was a kid. I was I was you know 15 18 something like that in that range. So, >> uh, a quick-tempered hypocrite, nightmare of a boss, a selfish bastard, and a womanizing sexist pig. >> Uh, number 90, and this should be like at number 10,000.

Uh, The Big Bang Theory. >> Oh, yeah. >> I I I like it because I It's a fond memories from my son. So, >> I just My father thought it was just the funniest show of all time, and I was like, "Dad, please." No. Um that is that that is a quintessential one of those things. It is the it is the show that had the joke of the one person comes in the room and says I was just outside and there was this guy selling all of this like uh like this this huster outside selling all of this stuff and and what kind of idiot would buy that and then the idiot on the show walks in with boxes of stuff and they're look what I got for cheap, you know?

Yeah. You're just like, "Yeah." Uh, >> both seasons of success there, though. >> Yeah. Well, I know it. It It definitely made money. Uh, number 89, A Different World, the spin-off for the >> Pretty good. It was okay. Had >> Marissa. I watched like the first season. >> I thought >> they stayed in college a long time.

>> 87 to 93. So, >> six six seasons. >> Yeah. Uh, number 88, Party Down, which was on Stars. >> Party Down. It It is It is a uh decent, I would say. >> Oh, those are those guys that they're caterers, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. I've only ever one part of an episode like I got that >> caterers thing. >> Uh, this was a great show and I loved it.

Um, I didn't get it all the time, but I what I did get I thought was hilarious. So it's uh ABC 1977 1981 soap in I remember that when I was a young kid again that's where they got Benson from. >> Yep. >> And and they and the whole thing that was is like they they did uh >> um they uh well first of all I mean it was the first openly gay character.

Billy Crystal's character was just like it was openly gay and it was it was like completely of course like what? Um but anyway, uh yeah, no, it was it was but I liked how like they had a uh they they had a um they always had a cliffhanger thing at the end where it was like, "Oh, what's going to happen?" That kind of >> uh number 86 from 93 to 1998.

That would be Living Single starring Queen Latifah. Never really watched that one. >> Never saw it. It was after my time. >> So, uh the the uh I think >> I love how Andy's watched all this stuff. >> Yeah. So, I I think the uh the the most interesting thing about that is is is that uh if you if you watch some uh some videos that of of actors talking about that uh that show uh it was it was like the blueprint for friends.

Uh, except except uh, you know, >> fair enough. >> Not all white. >> A quartet of friends navigating life in the big city. >> Kim Kohl's was in that. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Uh, number 85, the George Burns and Gracie Allen show on CBS from 1950 to 1958. >> Uh, number I was probably the only one who alive.

No, I'm just kidding. >> Say good night, Gracie. Good night, Gracie. Uh, number 84, uh, Modern Family, 2009 to 2020. I I >> I watched a fair amount of that. >> I watched a fair amount of it, too. I I mean, obviously I I've, you know, Ed O'Neal, from what I've I've heard, he's kind of a tool um, in real life.

>> So, that kind of makes me sad because I I really liked him in a few things. Uh, and I liked him in this. Um but um yeah, I mean you know what are you going to do? But I mean the few episodes I saw uh I thought they were good. Um number 83. I my wife really really liked this. I couldn't stand it. I don't know why it didn't hit for me.

It just didn't. Uh Letter Kenny at number 83. >> Letter Kenny's good. >> Letter Kenny. >> I've heard some friends talk about it being good. I just I couldn't get into it. I just there the the way they they present these >> Yeah. I mean, and it's just like it's one of those things where it's just like I don't know when like your main character never loses like nothing bad ever happens to them.

It just gets old, you know? Like you like when you see action heroes that never get hurt, it like steals from the show, but like you see Die Hard and you and John Mlan gets, you know, nine shades of [ __ ] beaten out of him. It makes just makes it more, you know, understandable. Anyway, and I that's my like weird problem with Letter Kenny.

Um uh uh number 82. I have watched exactly one episode of this ever. Uh how I Met Your Mother when somebody was like, "You got to watch this. This is great." >> I watched first season >> and I watched one episode and I was like, "This isn't funny at all." I don't I don't I don't know why anybody likes this.

>> Pretty funny. >> It was pretty funny for me. Maybe maybe the one and then then somebody said, "Well, the one episode you watched was really bad." They even said, "It was a bad episode of that that you watched." I was like, "Well, then I guess that's just the universe telling me if every single episode of this is amazing, but I happen to watch the one bad one." Um, yeah.

>> Well, you can watch on the Hula. I've got it all on the >> Sure can. Uh, number 81, Will and Grace. Will and Grace. This was uh you know I mean um uh 2017 199 well 98 to 2006 then it came back for four years from 2017 to 2020. >> Um so uh I remember uh my wife owned all the DVDs of that when we started going out.

She unpacked them and like when we moved in together she had all the DVDs for that. Now this one deserves to be way higher in the list at number 80. Sanford and Sun. Oh man. Uh Buenos Buenus Diaz, Mr. Mr. Sanford and beans and diseases to you, too. Just Dad, you need to take better care of yourself.

Heart disease is the number one killer of black men in America. HEART DISEASE? I THOUGHT IT WAS THE COPS. It's funny that you can remember those lines. I don't remember anything from it. >> I'm sure my my stepfather watched a lot of it. >> And about that the champagne and ripple with champiple >> says here in one scene where Fred is reporting a robbery, the cost cops cop asks if the pers were colored.

Fox rears his head back and [ __ ] an eyebrow. HE SAID, "YEAH, THEY WERE WHITE. [Laughter] AH, YEAH. NO. UH, it says, "Your red fox could read the phone book and it still make one of the best sitcoms of all time." >> Uh, >> was that a spin-off show? San Franc. >> It was a take off a British show called Step.

>> What was it? >> Step Toe and Stun. >> Uh, number 79 W KRP in Cincinnati. Fantastic. >> Higher. >> Yeah, it should be higher. Fantastic stuff. Fantastic stuff. Um, uh, every single character in that that that show like had a moment to shine, you know, and and was just so good. And it also like it it didn't just it didn't just go for the laughs.

It had like heart as well. >> And that's one you have to try and find really old copies of it because of the music rights. There's a there's a guy there's on YouTube there's a guy that has uploaded almost the entire thing. You can just and he set a playlist and I'll just sit there and have that on the background while I work.

It's >> there's like a bunch of uh like Pink Floyd jokes and they'll play like supposed to be a Pink Floyd track is as the punchline of the joke, but if you watch the new ones, it's like random. >> Yeah. Like what what joke is this? This doesn't make any sense at all. Um, >> wait. What? What show you talking about?

>> Wrap. >> Oh, w K. >> Number 78, Peep Show. >> Never heard of it. >> It's a British British British a Britcom. >> Never heard of it. Don't know anything about it. >> It's kind of bad. >> Uh, >> number 77, One Day at a Time. >> Oh god. >> The the Netflix 2017 to 2019 reboot. >> Oh no, no, no, no, no.

What was the >> What was the Handyman's? Oh, that's not You're not talking about >> Schneider. Yeah, Schneider. That's the old shower. Had McKenzie Phillips in it. Uh >> yeah, >> Valerie Burtonelli. >> Valerie Burtonelli. >> Snider. I I >> And the orange lady. >> Yeah. >> With a bulk cut. >> Uh number 76, uh New Girl starring Zoe Dashel.

And that was that was one my wife would watch and like I just didn't get it. And then she caught me laughing at it once and she was like, "Why are you laughing? I thought it wasn't funny." And I was like, "Well, that was funny. That one that one joke there." Not it. Good show. Uh 2011 to 20 for me. So I guess I I watched like a couple episodes and stopped.

>> Yeah. >> Wow. 11 seasons. Seven seasons. >> Yeah. >> Crazy. >> Uh number 75 for us who stayed up late watching PBS. Black Adder. >> Yes. >> Uh Yep. Uh, I remember I remember turning on PBS late at night, not knowing as a kid, just hoping just praying that Monty Python would be on and that's how I found Black Dad.

I was like, well, this is British. >> This is this is funny. >> Out of all the seasons, I didn't like the World War II season. I liked the the Victorian and the the other one. >> Yeah. >> Oh, did they change time? Yeah, they went they each each like Black Adder one, Black Adder 2, Black Adder 2 like they would change time periods like Black Adder would get reincarnated.

>> Um >> like a Doctor Who spin-off. >> No, >> this deserves to be higher on the list, but number 74, Futurama. I I will I will go to my grave saying it is a better show than The Simpsons, and I will I will fight anybody on that hill. It is >> a lot of good stuff 13 seasons. >> Yeah, it's just a it's just a much better show.

>> Didn't they reboot that? >> No, they they keep coming back for another season. They get they find they find some money in the couch cushion season this this year. >> Yep. It was It was hilarious. Uh number 73. Absolutely fabulous. Never like that show. I never got >> it was okay. It's a ton of >> It had its moments.

>> It had moments. Uh, number 72, The Comeback. Uh, HBO 2005 and 2014, the Lisa Kudro thing. I never never saw it. Never would ever watch it. >> Uh, number 71, Rick and Morty. Um, Rick and Morty was like one of the best shows ever for that those first couple seasons. And now it's like they're it's it feels like they're trying too hard to >> get that magic.

I don't know. It's still good. It's still better than so much more that's all that's out there, but it it's gotten worse. H um number 70, the Phil Silver Show, 1955 to 1959. What a >> also known as also known as Sergeant Bilco. Uh if you if you remember that. >> No. >> Uh number number 69. Nice. Uh Flight of the Concords.

H. There you go. >> Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Play of the Conquers is funny. >> Only two seasons. >> Uh yeah. Uh number 68 uh from 1972 to 1978 on CBS. And then there's Mod Mod. >> Oh god. Mod Mod. >> That's that's another spin-off, right, of uh All >> Yeah. Uh each other more, isn't it? >> No, you're right.

All in the family. >> Uh yeah. All in the family. Yep. She was Edith Bunker's cousin who always battled Archie. >> Uh, >> wow. Good times for that. >> Number 67, the Jack Benny program. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Uh, number 66, get >> apparently. Number 66, Get Smart. Uh, I've I've watched some of those, but I mean, they're whatever.

>> Yeah. >> Uh, number 65, Phineas and Ferb. Never. >> Good stuff. Good stuff. >> As far as uh >> Dr. Dofen Schmmerz, >> I think I've seen like one out of 10 of these every 10. >> Oh. Uh number 64. What We Do in the Shadows. If you're not watching that, that is That's >> I need to watch it. Are they still doing them?

>> Oh, yeah. It's still It's still going. >> No, I I I think they I think they did final season. >> They did a final season. Was that Okay. I'm not caught up. I've just watched the movie and I haven't watched the show. >> Yeah, >> I I catch it when I can. >> They did a season last year but not this year.

>> The um >> uh Yeah. Uh number 63, Designy Women, Delta Burke, Annie Pots. >> Yeah. >> Carter watch it. >> That was a Monday show. It come on Mondays. >> I I was pretty okay with it for for it for its for its time period in sitcoms. Mhm. >> I think it was above average for sure. >> Uh, The Thick of It, another British thing.

Never heard of it. It's >> That's on an Allen Thick spin-off spin-off show from >> It should have been. >> Nice. Nice. I was like, where are you going? Oh, Allan Thick. Uh, number 61. Uh, Catastrophe. Rob Delaney >> show wasn't [Laughter] >> um Okay. Uh number 60. Good times 1974 1979. Yeah. >> That's a spin of mod.

>> Is it? >> Yeah. I just was when I was looking at mod it said the spin-off is called >> this spin-off of Norman Lear's mod. You are correct. Well done. Well done. >> I mean I just looked it up. Oh, >> Catastrophe has massively high ratings, by the way. >> Uh, number 59, Spaced. Uh, Simon Peg. I I remember somebody telling me I had to watch that and I never did and I still have.

>> I never watched it, >> but it's like Simon Peg and Edgar Wright, so it's probably good. Uh, number 58. This is a great Gary Sh. It's Gary Chandling Show. >> Gary Shandling show. >> That was a good show. >> This is the Gary Chandling Show. The Gary Chandling Show. This is the show that you watch as you watch the credits.

Um, number 57, you're the worst. >> You're the worst. >> You're the worst. Uh, number 56, Murphy Brown with with James Bergen. >> Yeah. >> So Dave, you know, from Game Night played the naked uh secretary. >> Oh, nice. >> Okay. >> Full nude. >> Excellent work. Yeah, that's his claim to fame. >> Uh, obviously not.

>> Did he do it full? Did he go on set full nude? Is that >> I don't know. I I need to I need to have him tell the story. I'm sure he had >> Did he stay in the chair? If he did, >> he was the nudest secretary. What's it? >> I just number 55. The odd couple >> because, you know, they had all she had all these different secretaries was like the running gag.

But uh Jack Lugman and Tony Randall uh the show is great. >> Great stuff. Great stuff. >> Had Roy Clark on an episode. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Uh number 54, The Bernie Mack Show. Uh Bernie M. Gone Gone Too Soon. >> Gone Too soon. Bernie Mack. Um yeah. Uh yeah. Number 53, in my opinion, deserves to be higher on the list.

And who is and it's coming back for another season. Uh, Scrubs. >> Oh, yeah. I heard about that. >> Yeah, that's a good one. >> Graph and Donald Faison. Yeah. And, uh, a a a comedy with a heart, you know, just uh >> that was a good show. >> I wonder if they got like most of the uh cast to come back.

>> Yeah. Um, well, I mean, uh, the lawyer guy died, unfortunately. Uh, but I think the rest of them are still alive. >> Is Sarah Chalky coming back? >> Yeah, I believe so. I just remember uh Dr. Keelso or whatever. And like there's that one the one episode where they talk about like he um no matter what like they say even though like he got you're at the hospital and people are dying and all these horrible things happen like as soon as that guy like as soon as he steps out the door they they make they say he's a heartless man cuz as soon he steps out the door as soon as his foot goes outside he starts like he's just whistling.

He's like yes like you know just happened like collecting his nails and walking to his car and leaving. And then they have this and they talk about like how he's just like the years of being in the hospital just made his heart dead. And then he has this thing where he's basically he he befriends this this this patient and of course the patient passes away and and you see him and he and he and he steps out and like he puts his foot down and you see him and he just stops and he you can see like just all the grief just hits him all at once and he's just slumped over and he can barely do it.

But then he hears the other people coming and and he said earlier in the episode, he's like, "I do that because if I ever let the pain of this job weigh me down, like no, nothing will get done. I I mean, and so then he hears all the young people coming and he immediately like he like wipes his tears away and he's like just fine.

And it was just like you're like, "Oh, this guy that you hate, he has a soul." And it was a nice little moment. Anyway, thousand things like that in that show. Great show. Uh, number 52. I'm Allan Partridge. >> Are you >> Is that a Partridge family spin-off? >> I don't think so. Uh, having been banished from his BBC talk show for killing a guest, TV broadcaster Alan Partridge finds himself in a small town hotel while salvaging his career.

Uh, number 51. Only one season and god damn it, it deserves so much more. Police squad. Just so damn good. Who are you? How did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And I'm a locksmith. And that super tall guy walking by, he's like, he's like, "Bob, you got some food on your face." And you see him, he goes like this.

No, the other side. And he goes like, AND THEN HALF A BANANA FALLS. Look at this. >> Yeah. >> It's so good. It's so good. >> So good. >> Oh man, it's just >> Did you see the new Police Squad? >> Uh, I haven't. It's like I got to find time to like watch it. >> I think we talked about it. >> Uh, number 50, News Radio.

>> Never saw it. >> Phil Phil Hartman died. >> Uh, number 49, Barney Miller. I like Barney Miller. I like the fact that it was just set on one spot. Just that that their their busy little, you know, thing there. I always kind of like that that that they uh they were in there. >> Remember A Pigota? >> A Pigota, you know, and like the the toilet would flush and he come out of the bathroom.

>> And um uh Hal Lindon as the as the weird guy that just that always had like the he was good, too. Uh, number 48. >> Oh, Fish was a spin-off of that show. >> Fish was a spin-off of that. Uh, but here's a spin-off. The Jeffersons. >> Moving on up. >> Yep. >> Was it a spin-off of >> uh All in the Family.

>> Oh. >> Uh, yeah. Weezy. Just >> what the number 47, The Fresh Prince of Bair. I mean, I guess that maybe >> I watched a lot of that show for some reason. I don't know. >> Oh, I know. We all did. We all did because we didn't know any better. >> Yeah. >> Um 46, The Good Place. Good show. >> Only seen the first season.

>> Yeah. >> To watch more of it. >> Yeah, it keeps going at at about the same pace. >> I heard it's good. I And I sort of know that. Well, I don't know. I don't know much. I know a little bit. >> It has a good sum up. I'll say that. It has it has a very good sum up. Um, but uh number 45, Broad City Comedy Central, 2014 to 2019.

Uh, never never heard of it. >> Never saw it. >> Uh, Dick. >> Uh, doesn't say. Starring Abby Jacobson and Alana Glazer. As the sharp, ambitious, and confident as its heroins were scattered, directionless, and clumsy. In an era where too many comedies were content to make viewers merely smile a few times per episode, Broad City generated huge laughs with the mix of slapstick, innatic ranch.

Uh, number 44, VEP. >> What? >> VP is awesome. Deep AG I was >> one of the few I watched. It's great. >> Yeah. Julia Strifus. Yeah. Very satirical. >> I did not know there was seven seasons. I think I've only seen like two or three of them. >> Yeah. >> Huh. >> Go back and finish it. >> Yep. Uh number 43.

One of my son Ross's favorite shows. Brooklyn 999. I just could never get into it. I don't know what it was. >> I was I was okay with Brooklyn 999. Eight seasons. Yeah. Uh, number 42, uh, starring uh, uh, Hank Kazaria. Brock Meyer. >> Yeah, he is. >> Was Hank Aaria the guy that played the dad on the Wonder Years?

>> No. >> No. >> But Daniel Stern was the was the narrator of of Wonder Years. And he said he would say, "Yeah, I I'm" and people say, he's he would go up to people and say, "Yeah, I'm in the Wonder Years." And they're like, "No, you're not." He said, "Close your eyes." And they're like, and then he go, "Growing up in my town with, you know, my dad WAS ALWAYS, OH MY GOD, IT'S YOU." YOU KNOW, just >> was like a Simpsons voice.

>> Y does. >> And more important, >> uh, Sp uh, Egodore Spartacus in the Bird Cage. Yes. The grand fabulous ever done. >> Oh, is that really? Is that Hankazaria the housekeeper? >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> My Guatemalanness. You can't handle my guacamole. My what? >> My Guatemalanness. >> The the reboot of this is okay.

Uh but um and I and I watched it and I and I laugh. But number 41, King of the Hill from 97 to 2010. pretty good. >> Uh, the reboot decent. Um, Comedy Central 2014 2017 number 40 review. Uh, I don't know. It's I've never never heard of it. Uh, number 13 39 on ABC. Blackish. Uh, use the instant success of Modern Family as inspiration for a wave of family sitcoms that breathe new life into one of the medium's oldest genres by simply changing what kinds of characters are being put through familiar plots.

Uh, I sadly never seen that. I don't really watch normal TV though. >> Here we go. >> Number 38, Friends. >> You've heard of it. uh we've somehow I mean and I don't mean this to be mean only one of them has passed away you know I mean it's like you just think like hard living or whatever but uh number 37 >> not that old >> so good so good Bob's Bersh >> never saw it >> oh man I I I wish I could say that so I can go and watch them all >> Bob's Bers >> and it's still going and The movie is freaking hilarious.

>> Like a Simpsons type thing. >> Yeah. >> Oh, Bob's Burgers is just over the top. >> The greatest the greatest voice in all of animated history, I think, is the guy who voices that. >> Uh, yeah. I mean, the He's a stand-up comedian, and I I know his name and I can't think right now. He did he also his best role his best role of all time was Coach Mcgherk on Home Movies, though.

If you go watch old movies. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. Coach Mcgherk. >> Yeah. Uh, Coach Mcgherk. Yeah. And then Yeah. But he also did the voice for Archer, >> you know. And he and he did the voice for Bob. >> I love >> And then Archer Archer actually had a opening like opening like cold open for the season of Archer actually undercover working as Bob and Bob.

It was just great. And of course, the like Russian mob shows up and he has a bloody gunfight with them. >> That's a show. I love Dr. Cats, man. I thought that was great. >> Oh, Dr. Cats was fantastic. Squiggle vision, baby. Um, >> an Evan has appeared. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The Evan. Number 36. Uh, Sex and the City.

Uh obviously, uh Kim Catrol, Cynthia Nixon, Kristen Davis, Sarah Jessica Parker. I >> watched a fair amount of that. >> Uh yeah, I did too. >> Were you more into the sex or the city part? >> Give me Give me all that city. >> I want to hear all about the city. >> Uh number 35. >> I sat on the plane next to the guy that was in the movie of the Sex in the City.

That was in the shower. Really? That shower guy. You know what I'm talking about. >> Yeah. I think whatever his name was. >> I sat down next to him and then the uh flight attendants all kept coming by and one of them said, "You're more uh handsome in real life." And I'm like, >> "Who are you? Who are you?" >> Yeah.

>> He told me >> they were talking to you. >> Yeah. I was like, >> "Well, thank you very much." >> Talk to him. >> He was pretty good looking. >> Uh number 35. Who does everybody love? Everybody loves Raymond. >> No, that was that show was >> hard to stomach. >> It was It was so straightforward. And yeah, >> that one and and um uh Two and a Half Men those two shows.

It's just I I can't like I I' I've given given them a couple tries each and they're just just so nothing. >> I can't watch those. They're not for me, but I appreciate a lot of people like them. Uh, number 34. >> Uh, who lives in a pineapple under the sea? >> Louis Sci Jr. >> There's a Spongebob. >> Uh, yeah, Spongebob Squarepants.

Uh, you know, there are several early episodes that I just thought were very endearing and and wonderful. The one where Squidward is trying to get his marching band together and nobody is working hard with him on it. And then and then they they all come together and and do the right thing for Squidward.

It was fantastic. Um >> uh still on. >> Uh yeah. >> Yep. They But they're coming out with a movie. >> Yeah. There there's a giant display of it at the theater this weekend. >> Uh number 33, Better Things. I've never heard of this. >> I don't know. >> Nope. >> Uh yeah. No idea what that is, but it's still going.

It's been going since 2016. >> Cool. >> Uh, you know, speaking of mod, number 32, we got the Golden Girls, baby. >> Hell yeah, baby. >> There you go. >> I never thought it was that funny. >> No, I never did. >> I mean, some Betty White stuff for sure, but like not very like I just it wasn't my thing.

>> Yeah. Um, this one I mean it's probably put exactly where it is, but I would put this in my top 10. Number 31, Faulty Towers. I could rewatch every single episode of Faulty Towers >> over and over and over again. >> Best opening sign was Flowery [ __ ] >> Flowery [ __ ] was great. Um, and I mean obviously the best episode ever was The Germans.

I mean, that was that was beyond a doubt like the best opening, but closely followed by the the hotel inspectors. >> That one guy is just a complete turn to him the entire time and he just and he just caters to him and caters to him and caters to him until he finally realizes that he isn't the hotel.

>> Yeah. And then he and Manuel just beat the holy piss out of him, ruin his luggage, put a pie in his face, and throw him out the front door. And he cuz he found out that the hotel inspectors were like three like three gentlemen from Liverpool or something like that. And he's LIKE, "AND NOW, HOW CAN I HELP YOU three men from Liverpool?" THAT'S how it ends.

Just like, of course. Ah, I don't know. I'm sorry. False Towers. Absolutely amazing. Laugh, laugh, laugh. Uh, number 30. Oh, you gotta. It's just so good. Number 30, The British Office. Uh, you know, Yep. The British version with The Office. Yeah. >> Um, number 29. I I I to be fair, I probably haven't watched a full season of this in several years, but it's Always Sunny.

>> Uh, >> I've not watched the whole season. I've watch I've heard amazing things about that show. >> It's It's like really really really good. And then they bring Danny Devito in as a regular on like season 3, I think it is. And it just explodes at that point. I mean, I don't know. It isn't that because they focus on Danny Veto and just because he's funnier than everybody else, but it's like I don't know if it was one of those things where he just added some element with the fifth person like that was just perfect.

>> Any any TV show that's got Charlie Day, I'm done. I'm in it. I'm in. >> Oh, I mean and you should watch it then, man. Because Charlie Day is just like he's and and the thing with Charlie Day is like they they they use him so base basically like the first few seasons like as just this like oh this is the idiot of the group but then it's his he slowly begins having this character that um yeah it's it's there's so much good stuff.

So yeah, you should watch it. It's amazing. >> Uh number 28 >> seasons not a single episode that I've watched of that show. Oh, it's so good. Uh, number 28, uh, Malcolm in the Middle. >> Pretty good show. >> Pretty good show. Uh, whatever happened to like the other brothers in that show? I remember it got weird when the younger brother ended up being taller than than Malcolm.

They were like, >> "Yeah." >> Yeah. you know. So, it was just it was like >> or was it I like hearing about Frankie Munes, how he like invested his money and he didn't waste it and now he owns like a good he owns like four or five parking garages in LA and just makes tons of money. >> Yeah. >> One of my favorite short videos of all time, I search for Malcolm in the Middle Changing a light bulb.

Like I basically when we're talking as a team, I'm like, "Uh, I've been changing a light bulb all day." And if you watch that video, you'll understand why. >> Fair enough. >> It's a funny little >> I'll check that out. >> vignette with uh Breaking Bad Guy. What's his name? Brian Cron. >> Uh yeah. Uh number 27 from 2010 and 2015.

And now we can't really talk about it, but Louie. And if you've watched Louisie, >> that was it. It was it's it's obviously he is he is persona nrada now, but um uh yeah, I mean it was it was really well done, really well written. >> H it's about Bill Cosby. >> Oh. >> Um >> it's all right. Number 26.

Fantastic show. The Bob New Hart show. >> Oh yeah. Ah um >> I love New >> Bob Newart. >> Yeah. And then I mean New Hart was after this is the original Bob New Hart. >> Yeah. Where he's where he's a psychiatrist. >> Yes. Uh as dead pan Chicago psychologist Dr. Bob Hartley. Um and then uh number 25 Atlanta 2016 to present.

>> Uh stars Donald Glover which is weird because I really like Donald Glover. I've never seen an episode of this. down. >> It's uh it's good. It has a season where they like decide to go off the rails for a bit and then they come back onto the rails for a season. So So you'll you'll watch it and you'll hit a season you'll be like, "What is going on here?" Uh >> yeah.

>> And and then then they come back >> in a good way or No, >> it's it's still it's still good, but it it's it's like watching a different show almost. >> Got it. >> Got it. Uh, number 24, Community. >> Yeah, >> love that. Loved it. >> I've I've seen one episode, the D and D episode. >> You should watch You should watch more of it because it's really good.

Um, >> it's good. >> Um, uh, uh, yeah, number 23, The American Office. >> Pretty great. I I've watched a handful of episodes and the ones I watched I enjoyed. I probably would like probably enjoy it more if I knew the backgrounds of all the people. >> Uh number 22. Oh, I mean like this guy's like friends with Scott Demer so we can't like it.

But South Park obviously. >> Yeah. How was your trip? We got You didn't really talk about that. >> I I'm happy to talk about it. It was amazing. >> Yeah. I don't want to interrupt this list, but >> yeah, we'll talk about at the end if you want. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh number 21. Um this I mean I watched I watched all three episodes, three seasons of this uh Flea Bag.

I it is >> it is it is that is a weird it is a it is it is so the weirdest thing about that show is that that show feels like it should be a dude in the main main role but I mean it was like but instead they were like nope we're going to make this show and then and then basically like cuz this is the woman who wrote it basically she wrote like a a oneperson play or something like that and she was like no I'm going to make a show about this incredibly self-destructive, like no holds barred, makes horrible choices woman over and just makes bad choices over and over and over again.

Um, but yeah, good stuff. Watch Flee. It's good stuff. Uh, another one of Ross' favorite shows that I just could got into, Bojack Horseman. >> Um, >> watch an episode. >> I tried. >> It's pretty funny. >> I tried. It just I don't know what it was. It just didn't hit for me either. I I think that Bojack Horseman is good but not good as a >> it is good as a a like drama with a lot of pathos and you need to like uh um uh watch it.

You you can't just like watch an episode. You got to watch a from the beginning and a chunk to to build up and and break down. He it is Yeah. like like there are there are funny bits in it, but I don't think uh I don't think it's good as a sitcom. I think it's good as a um kind of Yeah. >> No, >> something drama.

>> Kind of kind of. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Character study. >> It is classified as a drama drama on the internet. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, weird. >> Yeah. >> Uh number 19, the original Roseanne. >> Yep. from >> 88 to 97. >> Um, >> never really watched that show. >> I I appreciated Roseanne a whole lot because I I like uh sarcastic dead pan humor and and they had a lot of that.

>> I used to love it. Um, I sort of the one line I remember is like when the when the little brother is like pointing his finger at his sister and like but just like an inch away and she's like, "Stop it." And he's like, "But I'm not touching you. Stop it. But I'm not touching you. Stop it, but I'm not touching you." Finally, she just hauls off and punches him.

IT'S LIKE, "DAD, she hit me and I didn't even touch her." Well, it was hardly worth it then, was it? It's a good line. Uh, 30 Rock 2006 2013 at number 18. I can seen there's I've seen a few funny episodes there. >> I've heard that you just you just go in and you and you wait to watch um Alec Baldwin basically because he's like the funniest part of the show.

So, >> yep. >> Uh number 17 and I agree with this and again a one set this is like that that weird era where the one set sitcom taxi. >> Oh god. >> Yes. Uh, Christopher Lloyd and Andy got Christopher Lloyd was so good. >> He he he took it. That's my favorite episode. The one where Jim takes a driving test.

>> Yes. >> What does yellow light mean? Slowly or what is it? Slowly. What the yellow? >> Yes. Uh Jim, >> that one actress has a photographic memory. >> Mary, >> like she remembers every day of her entire life. >> Very detailed. >> Idic memory. >> Yeah. Do you think that super cool or a huge burden?

>> Maryl Henner. What's that? >> Do you think that would be super awesome and useful or a big burden? >> I think she's talked about it. It's it's it's awesome, but also probably a burden. I don't know. I can't remember exactly the takeaway, >> but they called her for like a there was something she like solved a crime if I remember correctly.

>> Wow. >> Something like that. Maybe not that maybe not that severe. I'm misremembering, but she was called like 20 years after something happened and she remembered it exactly how she got got that memory. >> Number 16, The Cosby Show. They even say, "As with Louis, it's an enormous challenge to separate the art from the artist, especially since the family of obstitrician Cliff Tus is so obviously modeled of that star producer Bill Cosby, who would eventually be unmasked as a serial sexual predator." >> I gotta say, I watched a lot of Cosby.

>> Yeah. Yeah. The cause, man. >> There's a lot of people on that show. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it was like >> that definitive 80s show. >> Yeah, it was. Um, I always remember the last episode of the Cosby Show, The Simpsons had a thing at the very end of because at the very end of their show, they said, and they showed the end of the Cosby and like Homer's like, "Oh, Theo, we watched you grow up." You know, cuz the whole thing was Theo was going off to college or whatever.

And then Bart says to his dad, "Well, why are they going off the air?" and he and he goes, "Well, the producers of the show said they they'd rather end they'd rather stop the show while they're on top instead of allowing it to continue and then the actual like value and and and like make the make the show worse as as it deteriorates in value." And Bart just says, "I don't know about you, but if I had a hit show on TV, I'd keep running it until they went straight into the ground." and he goes, "God bless you, son." That was that was their like, "We're just going to make this show until they tell us we can't anymore." Uh, number 15, Arrested Development.

Um, I don't I don't feel like the the the more recent seasons were nearly come close, but man, >> that run from 2003 to 2006. >> I just Oh god, it's just it's >> always money in the banana stand. >> There's always money in the banana stand. NO TOUCHING. NO TOUCHING. >> The the the re-edit of of the of the weird kind of out of order.

>> Yes. The re-edit is better. It it but like if you Yeah, the but but yeah, I agree. >> Yeah, it just um Oh, I mean there's just so many great and and Job is just so great. I mean >> Yeah, the one where he's got all the dead birds. >> Oh god. Yeah. Yeah. Trying to >> the episode where he walks to an audition with the Blue Man group at dusk and gets hit by a car.

The just that concept is worth everything. >> So good. And then it's just like like they had that doctor who would always say the one thing wrong where they where they wouldn't understand, you know, and it's just like and then I just remember they they they always like you're in on the joke kind of thing, but then they had the thing where like Jason Baitman had like some sort of like they thought he was having a heart attack or whatever and he's in and he's surrounded by his family and I forget what the doctor says.

doctor, you know, what did the tests say? And he says something like, and it's something that sounds grim, like, and everybody's like, "Oh my god." And Jason goes, "Give him a moment." He just says because he knows that like the next line's going to be like, "Oh, he's okay." But >> and Scott Beao was Bob blah blah.

>> Bob blah blah's blah blah >> blah blah blah blah. Yeah. >> And then um and then they they had that weird thing where um they had his sister Justine Baitman on as a love interest for Jason Baitman. So it was like weird but it was like you know just because anyway ah just uh >> the whole thing >> where he's like they're repeated I've made a huge mistake.

They say those things constantly. I've made a huge mistake. Uh, number 14. I saw so many of these episodes like coming home from school and turned on the TV. The Andy Griffith show. Yeah. I mean, >> and I did like uh Don Knots made that show. Nobody else was funny on that show, but Don Knots was hilarious.

>> That was when I was young and uh when I was off on summer vacation, right? You'd watch it on like TBS in the morning. Yeah, I never watched it. >> I used to watch a lot. >> Never saw it. >> All right, give me one second. I gotta go. >> I feel like my percentage of watching like I'm with Scott on this one like 25% maybe.

>> Give me Give me Give me two minutes. I hear a dog barking outside. I think somebody let their dog out and then went to bed. So, give me a second. >> We talk about your trip, Scott. >> Yeah. Yeah, let me talk about it. So, um we went down we went to this the Park County Studios. Um, so for those who don't know, um, Trey Parker is a big fan of Dragons Down and reached out to me and so, um, I had asked him if I could go to the studio with some buddies because it was going to be out there for a football game.

So, uh, 11 of us went. >> Oh, wow. >> I thought we were there going to be about like six or seven and it was 11. But my son and Sean Brown, my Mr. B Games owner, went with as well. >> Oh, cool. >> And uh, we spent about 45 minutes there. About an hour there. something like that. But so it was wild. We we met with um primarily three different people.

The first guy was an animator and it was great. He showed, you know, he showed kind of how they they sketch out a whiteboard, right, of what they want to do and they're just still pictures and then the guys voice it, right? Trey and Matt and whatnot. And then they animate it. And so he was showing us, walking us through the process, and he was playing the episode where, if you're watching this season where the girls get in a fight over the the little dolls that >> Yeah.

the booze. And um and what was and we're laughing and I've seen the episode, but it's still funny just to be sitting there with one of the guys who helped create it. But what was even funnier is he was laughing harder than we were. And he's probably seen the damn thing 500 times because he created it.

Right. >> Right. But we we spent great time with him and he walked us through a bunch of the process. It was really cool. And uh then then the second thing we did is we met with Trey and we spent, you know, solid 25 minutes with him or so. And here's how cool that was. He showed us um the episode that hadn't aired yet.

This is on Friday and it was airing on Wednesday and it's 22 minutes of episode and he and he showed it to us because they had five minutes uh uh done of the show at that point. So in three days, four days I guess they're airing and they had five of the 22 minutes complete and the scene he showed us was the scene of of Trump and JD Vance having sex.

>> Right. But he's showing us this. I could have immediately got on to Reddit and said, "Here's what's going to happen in the new episode and I've seen it, right?" It was just crazy. But even wilder than that, and and so he was, >> you know, he's he with his new deal with Paramount, you know, each of them is worth 1.2 has a net worth of $1.2 billion, right?

>> So he we're sitting here talking with him and one of one of my friends just says, "So what do you like to do, you know, in the offseason?" He goes, "I head straight back to Colorado." He turns to me and he says, 'You know that h, you know, such and such a city, you know, small town. Yeah. He goes, you know, the house at the corner of such and such and such this guy, I just bought that.

That's that's my house. That's where I live. I'm sitting here going, I can right now drive to that house. There's it's not a security house. It's not right. And I'm just like, he is the most downtoearth dude. Just really, really cool. Right. Cool. >> Um, and so and then the >> the the then we met with one other person who was showing us kind of how they do the cutouts and stuff and all the figures and the and that kind of thing, the actual animation.

But the high one of the highlights for me was so there's a guy who, you know, we're just standing in a hallway talking and this guy goes, "Hey, I just love Dragons Down, man. Really creative. You did a great job with that. You know, I've been playing it with Trey and really love what you did." Oh, thanks.

You know, that's really nice. You know, well, then later I just said, "Who was that guy?" Oh, that's Adrien Beard. Well, if you Google Adrien Beard Beard, he's three-time Emmy award winner. Adrien Beard, producer of the show, right? So, just across the board, just a great time and really cool. And, >> you know, they just they just made time for us and great.

>> Yeah. Really cool. >> That's great. >> So, we brought a gift. >> I met him at Gen Con one year. He was He came. >> How did it work? How did it work that he got he did that video for you guys? >> Yeah, that was cool. >> Lincoln asked him. >> He just said, "Hey, will you do a video?" >> Lincoln just asked him.

I think he just like hit like because we were doing that or 50th >> our 20th. Was it 20th anniversary? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it was 20 back in this >> 2020. >> Yep. >> And uh yeah, um Lincoln did this like surprise video for me like with all these different creators. I think he was one of them. >> And his his little thank you thing was like a good solid minute or two.

>> Yep. >> Fully animated with the show. >> Well, when I first met him on that web call, he told me, "I'm on Board Game Geek every single day." >> Oh, really? Okay. >> No, he's on Board Game every single day. He said, >> "I wish he had more free time to like maybe play games with Lincoln and stuff like I think he'd be fun to have on the show." >> Well, he's been on Dice Tower.

He's been on Dice Tower. >> He's been on Dice Tower. He did say, you know, when I first met him on that webinar, right? And so, you know, I didn't I get this email and I'm like, assuming this really is you, he goes, "You want to jump on a webinar?" Go, "Sure." And I'm in a Zoom call just like this one with him like an hour later, right?

>> It's awesome. >> And and a couple things happened. You know, he told me, "I'm a board game time." He says, "I knew you were from Colorado because you posted a video of yourself in Grand Lake and nobody outside of Colorado knows about Grand Lake, Colorado." So, that's how he knew you were there. He reached out to me in essence to thank me by giving, you know, basically comping me um to get into the restaurant that they own in town, which is really hard to get into.

And and we had an amazing time. But then he also um you know, I I he's just was, you know, yeah, I bought your game off eBay. I really love emergent narrative games. It's really cool. I you know, I've been watching all the videos, the how-tos you've done. And then I I said um he said you know hey when you know I won't be back for a while because of the the show but when I'm back in Colorado let's get together and play some board games.

I'm like okay right >> and then I at the end of the call I could tell I was kind of winding down. I had spent about 45 minutes talking to him just like this and I said um hey Trey I never thought you were going to say that let's get together and play some board games right I might actually get to know you a little bit.

I said um but this still feels a little bit like a once in a lifetime opportunity. So, what can I ask of you? And he and he goes, like, what do you mean? I said, well, you know, I'm doing another Kickstarter. Guess can you help me spread the word or help me with some material? He goes, yeah, absolutely.

You know, no problem. Right. And we talked a little bit about what that could look like and stuff. So, we'll see. He responds to about half my emails. >> I mean, he's so busy, right? Like, like you said, that show is just a it's just a grind. They sure >> they went to a two. >> You only saw five minutes and they were only three days left.

>> Three days left. He said, "We won't go to bed on Tuesday." >> And and it's more about it's more about how they they turn it in. Not that they're done with it. I is what I kind of He didn't say that, >> but he goes, you know, they just grind through and they're never quite satisfied. Um but he did say you know again just almost with with like not sadness but he was like yeah you know first this is the first time year that I've ever questioned whether it was worth it >> you know like it's a grind.

>> Yeah. >> He didn't I don't remember his exact words. Maybe that's too strong but he was like I've questioned it. >> Right. And so anyway, it was just he was just really >> I mean it's been like 20 seasons, right? >> 27 I think. >> 27. Jesus, >> that's a long time to do something. >> Yeah. >> I mean that's I remember watching that show when I worked in the video game industry like when that first Spirit of Christmas thing came out.

>> Yeah. >> You guys remember that? >> Hey Scott, do you have contacts in the in the video game industry? >> Not direct. I mean I can I mean I Well, that's not true. My buddy Charlie works at Valve. >> Okay. Because my, you know, my son graduated from little off topic here, but my son graduated from USC in their video game program primarily around narrative design and interactive media.

And you know, he's on the job hunt and he just needs that little in. He needs a just somebody to carry a resume, not submit it into HR. >> So maybe I'll take that offline with you if there's anybody. >> I'll give you a contact. >> I would love that. it it's hard though, man. >> Coming out of the industry that doesn't have any experience.

I'm not saying that it's impossible, but >> Yep. And that's why he needs kind of >> You just got to start somewhere. >> Little boost. Yep. And so he's he's working his butt off on it, >> but anyway, I'll take that offline with you. >> Yeah, we'll talk about it. We'll talk about >> Okay. Thanks. All right.

Unlucky number 13. Frasier salad and scrambled eggs. >> Yeah. >> There was a time when I really enjoyed Frasier. >> Uh Kelsey Grammar turned out to be kind of a pile of [ __ ] in his later years. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Yeah. Truth. >> Um >> sadly, >> but yes. and and Frasier wasn't even in his best role, honestly, because that's Sideshow Bob, baby.

>> Oh, that's Yeah, that's a great point. >> Um, number 12. I thought this deserves to be in the top 10. Uh, curb your enthusiasm. Uh, I've I've never I mean it's just it takes that it takes that comfortableness and like just makes it it ratchets it so wonderful where you can't believe what's going on.

Um, and it almost felt like they were gonna go the Archie Bunker way where like he never wins. Like Larry never wins and so but they do give him a few wins here and there, but um yeah, no, he's uh Curb's great. Kerb's great. Uh number 11, the Dick Van Dyke show. Dick Van Dyke still alive. >> Still alive.

>> You could be watching the show today. Uh Dick Van Djk. Um that's a good show though. The Dick Van Djk show if you ever watched it. I mean it's quite good. Uh this is a little older and then like but 92 to 98. Number 10. We're in the top 10. >> Okay. >> Uh this guy had two he had two of them in the top top 100.

Gary Chandling the Larry Sanders show. >> Yeah. with Riptor Tor with Rip Tor as as a show as his sidekick or whatever. Showrunner guy. Oh, >> just um >> yeah, so good. Uh yeah, just yeah, just over the top. It's hard to explain, but it's just like, you know, the people running a uh running running running a Johnny Carson show basically, and but it's Larry Sanders and everything that goes into it and the hijinks that happen.

>> Uh, number nine. Number nine. I don't I don't I didn't like this one, but I understand why it's here. Uh, Parks and Wreck. Parks and Recreation. >> I really did enjoy that. >> I don't really watch that. >> I like Parks and Rec. I I like parks and wreck after it >> first season >> gets its footing.

Yeah. >> Yeah. My wife told me started season two. >> Yeah. Chris uh what's his name? >> Uh >> Chris Pratt. >> Yeah. >> Chris Pratt. >> I think he kind of him and uh Rick Oberman makes that show. >> There's a lot of good characters. I think >> Yeah. I like there's He's at the doctor. He said you ever poop and it's like wiping a magic marker.

You just wipe and you wipe and you wipe. Yeah. >> Uh, number eight. I can't believe this is only two seasons for the amount that people talk about it all the time. >> The Honeymooners 1955 to 1956. Number eight. >> Wow. >> Is that is that uh to the moon? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. To the moon. Alice. >> Yeah.

The tenement apart k the tenement apartment kitchen of volatile bus driver Ralph Kremden and his disappointed wife Alice easily could have been the setting for a tragic stage play about desperate people grappling with the smallalness of their lives. Instead, Gleon and company use that harsh reality to ground the ridiculous interplay between Ralph Alice, the gregarious sewer worker Ed Norton and Ed's wife Trixie.

a very young and skinny Art Carney playing uh playing >> I've actually seen my stepfather was like love that show. >> Oh yeah. I mean it no it holds up too. Like go watch it. It freaking it freaking holds up >> the the um you know. Well, I mean that's like a that's a product of its time kind of thing as far as as far as like the actual because like even I I would I would hazard the guess and I don't know for sure but I would hazard the idea that even they weren't being serious.

They're like I'm GOING TO BEAT MY WIFE IF YOU DON'T STOP TALKING TO ME. I THINK they were just doing it as like a comical thing. >> I think uh Lila Lucy had a little bit of that too. >> Yeah. You got some splending to do, bro. You know, >> well, I don't know if it was ever like threatening to hit her, but >> yeah, but no, it was definitely like, oh, my crazy wife, you know, how much money did you spend today?

kind of thing. >> Definitely a product. >> I watch a lot of I Love Lucy. That that that's got to be on the list, right? >> I I don't know. I don't got there yet. So, I mean, I I don't even know. I mean, >> I'm sure it is. >> But number seven. Number seven. I adored this show and I would still watch it now.

the Mary Tyler Moore Show. >> Uh we actually we we actually re we watched the first season of that on DVD uh uh recently because we got the DVD at a >> Does it hold up? >> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's you're not going to be like, "Wow, that's amazing." But but yeah. No, no, it's it's it's, you know, a solid solid sitcom for for the time period.

So, the the cool thing about about it, okay, first of all, it's set in Minneapolis, which I always loved because it was like, you know, it was in Minnesota. Um, but Edner uh played Lou Grant or whatever, the the the like constantly um uh gruff boss. Betty White actually isn't playing an idiot. She's actually like like the like just like always like because they're they're competing against Mary Tyler Moore like they're they're just constantly going back and forth and and having like uh infighting or whatever.

Um, and uh, Ted Knight just is like so over he's so wonderful in Catty Shack and you and like that that that role of Judge Smiles of like pompous and over the top and snobby that's him in this show. I mean, it's just like so it's um, >> and then that show spun off Edner's what was it? Liv Grant. >> They did a spin for that.

>> They did a spin-off. Yep. Um, I I would say I would say uh if you're in the mood for just a a very upbeat kind of kind of happy show, Mary Tyler Moore is is is good at at that, right? like it's not going to be a laugh riot, but you're going to you're >> Yeah, it's it does a good job of being a um uh fun and uh and enthusiastic the whole way through it.

>> Yeah. Um tons of guest stars that like before there were famous guest stars if you watch it like David Letterman was on that was on several episodes. uh like you just in there it's like oh wait a minute that's David Lman that kind of thing. You'll have moments like that constantly. Um number six uh 1972 to 1983 uh MASH.

>> So by contrast Mash Mash's very good but uh there are definitely episodes of MASH where where it is not fun and upbeat. >> Yeah. There was always seasons, man, they got downright dow. >> Yeah. Um I forget what the number is, but it was like uh in America when the last episode of MASH aired, it was something like 70% of all TVs that were on were watching MASH.

>> Can you just It just It's just like It's just >> It's just ridiculous. Like And um >> I remember viewers. Yeah, I remember watching it. I watched it with my mom. >> So 77% of US households watching TV that night tuned in. >> That's just that's just insanity. >> Just wild. Yeah. >> Uh I mean, yeah, there's there's definitely like moments of sadness and and and all kinds of things like that.

Like when Harry Morgan as Colonel Potter, like he uh he talks about the fact that um he got word that the last of his uh like the last of his squad from World War I died and like you and he was the last one of like his his his squad that saw saw the fighting and then like and so he dresses in full battle uniform and uh and and asks everybody to drink a toast to them or something like that.

And then yeah, I mean it's just it's stuff like that. It was just really good. Uh number five. I can't believe this is number one since I don't know what number one is yet, but All the Family number five. Uh I mean it's just classic. >> I mean when your chair is in the Smithsonian, man. >> Yep. Exactly.

ACHIE uh and like I said before, how did they get people like how did he get away with being so racist and such a horrible person? because he always lost. He was always >> He was always the butt of the joke. When he when he say horribly racist and sexist and homophobic things, >> it always ended up him with the with the fuzzy side of the popsicle.

He was he was always wrong. And that's how they got away with it. And that's how it was. And he was he was he everybody knew he was the big freaking [ __ ] and he was the dummy and and it just and it worked. Um yeah, I mean it's you go back and and you watch it and you're just like yeah just uh there you go.

Um and then when uh when they had the thing with with Edith passing away. Oh my gosh. I mean that's like a it's just heart-wrenching. >> And it turned into Archie Bunker's place. >> Archie Bunker's place. Yeah. >> Yeah. But that was Yeah, that was that was that was uh yeah, horrible. All right, number four.

Aldi gave it away. I Love Lucy, 1951 to 1957. >> Uh I dated a girl who loved I Love Lucy. Like she just would have it on like Nick at Night, watching it constantly. Just love watching it. >> Nick at Night. >> Nick at Night, baby. Um yeah, there you go. Uh, best friends Ethel and Fred Mertz. Uh, number three.

Any guesses? Any guesses? Any guesses? The answer is >> Seinfeld's coming up. >> Yep. There you go. >> Curb your enthusiasm. Oh, no. >> Yeah, Kirby. It's >> Seinfeld. >> Yeah, >> Seinfeld. Yeah, Kerb was 12. Uh, Seinfeld at number three. Yeah. >> Uh, number three. 8998. I I I feel like Seinfeld has a lot of episodes that are just kind of at this point that do do not do not stand the the test of of being >> you you have you have the product of the time, right?

Yeah, definitely. >> And the first season of it, I went back and watched the first season of it and I was like, "Oh, okie dokie." >> Yeah. They're right. I've been watching a lot of Seinfeld lately. I was just up in the mountains and I watched three episodes a day probably and uh I was no I was cherry-picking but I was laughing out loud.

You know the season where you know the MV Griffith show or the >> you know Kramer gets coats himself in butter and suntans and I mean some of those are just so good. >> Yeah. I just started from the beginning and started like the first episode. So rough. It's a little rough. >> That first season, man, it's pretty bad.

>> So I um it is the only show that almost gets me to the point of me not having to turn it off because of the soundtrack and and because the laugh track and >> and I just and I and I I I'll watch it and all the laugh track hits and I'm like h and I just got I was like, how did I ever put up with this ever in my life?

I just >> thankfully it seems like laugh tracks are finally going away. I mean it just it's um >> it's dumb. >> Yeah. >> Uh number two, >> where everybody knows your name. Cheers. >> Yeah. >> Great show. >> Uh I mean you can't wait. I mean, it just there's so many great episodes of and the thing is is that they were able to like when you would think, oh, Shelley Long's leaving, like it's just going to be like the show's going to suck now because like you're not going to have this this classic foil for for Ted Dansen and then, you know, >> Galla shows up and it's just like holy [ __ ] It's like you didn't even miss a you didn't even like miss a moment.

>> Yeah. I um I loved the episode where the the guy that the the the millionaire that was dating Christy Alli like he he thought that he was going to lose Christian Ali to to Dan Dansson because he's like oh it's obviously so I need you to make sure you I need you to break up with her and he's like what?

And he's like yeah he's like and if you do I will sell you your bar for $1. And he was like, "Are you serious?" And he just like gave him the dollar and he got his bar back. And I was like, and and obviously when and when coach died, you're like, "Oh, coach died." And then and then uh you know, Woody Woody shows up and you're just like, "Perfect." It's just like um I do remember >> usually those shows when people die, they change, right?

>> Yeah, they change. And I one of my I think probably my favorite my favorite moment is uh like Sam has to leave and he tells Carla he's like Carla I'm leaving you in charge of the bar. Don't make any of your drinks. And they're like and everybody's like what? He's like I promise Sam I won't. And then like and everybody's like come on Carla what's up with these drinks?

He's like no I can't make them. They're too strong. They're too they're too devastating. And he's like come on we can do this. And they're like yeah. And so, so she starts making these special drinks or whatever. And then the next day of like everybody showing up just completely and totally hung over and like wearing the same clothes, all disheveled.

And then they're sitting there and Sam comes in. He goes, "She made the drinks, didn't she?" He's like, "We need we need coffee." And he starts like pouring all hot coffee and the phone rings and all of them like go, "Ah." Like the phone ring and then and he picks it up and he's like and he answers it and he's like, "Hello." And like the only person who hasn't shown up is Cliff.

And he's like, "Hello." He's like, he's it's Cliff. He's like, "Okay, what do you mean?" He doesn't know where he is. And he's like, "Cliff, okay, just p open your eyes now. Look around now. What do you see?" He's like, "Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uhhuh. Cliff, you're in my office." like the door opens up and Cliff's still on the phone.

He's like looks out. He's all He's all like just super hammered. Yeah. But that was a good episode. Um, and then the big thing is is that uh um uh uh she uh Ria Pearlman um slept with one of the people that were there and she didn't know who it was and she was like cuz she she remembered it and she was like, "God, I hope I don't break up Norm's marriage." And like she's going through all the people that were there and like and then she said, "WHAT ABOUT CLIFF?" IT WAS NOT CLIFF.

SHE WAS JUST LIKE SUPERMAN. But uh All right. And then number one, and obviously what can it There's only one left that it can possibly >> list. What a knee slapper. Uh yeah, I mean it's The Simpsons. It's been around forever, you know. And um I'll say this, I have watched some of the most recent uh seasons and they are way better than that like era where they were just like, "Hey, we can't think of anything, so let's have a guest star." >> Yeah, they've they've been they've been trying some some new kind of approaches to things lately, I think.

>> Yeah. >> Um what what position was Friends? I think I missed it. >> It was like six Was it in like the 20s or 30s? >> Like 2030 somewhere. >> Okay, >> hold on. I'm going. >> Was I live loosely on the list or did I miss that? >> Yeah, IT WAS LIKE, >> GET OFF YOUR PHONE, SCOTT. >> NO, there's someone there's someone messaged me about work stuff.

>> Like fifth, I think. >> I'm having to do >> Oh, was it? >> That's fine. That's fine. Yeah, you say Lucy was three or four. Um, let's see. Flea Bag 21, South Park 22, Office 23, Community 24. What was it? Was it in the Was it in the >> Yeah. >> 30 31 32 33 34 35 Did I skip it? Did I miss it? >> No, we we we definitely >> 38 38 was Friends.

38 was Friends. Yeah, man. I gota I got to go rewatch all Faulty Tower Faulty Towers again. That's just too >> Is there anything missing >> from that list? Uh >> yeah, just like something you can think of. That's >> lasso. >> Family Guy. >> That's pretty new. That's pretty new. >> Yeah, I mean Family Guy.

I I I just >> Family Guy was on. >> Uh I mean, >> let me think. Few dramas on there. Um >> I mean, Ted Lasso is I mean, it's new, but like >> that's that's way more of a drama though. >> Is that a sitcom? >> Threes Company wasn't on there. >> There's a lot on there. >> Yeah, Threes Company should be on there.

Oh, my favorite episode of Thru's Company is where they had the misunderstanding. >> The misunderstanding about the about the thing. >> Yeah, they had >> they had the misunderstanding. >> What was the name of the bar? >> The Regal Beagle. >> The Regal Beagle. >> The Regal Beagle. >> Let's meet Dad the Beagle.

>> There was a There was a bar in Dallas called The Regal Beagle. >> That is That is so good that you had that at the tip of your tongue, Chad. That's awesome >> because I I would have sat here for a good uh >> what was the name of the buddy? >> Larry. Larry, >> man, you are like you got The Walking Thre's Company.

>> I love Thre's Company, man. We watched a lot. >> Oh, it was so good. And how about the fact that they always they they recycled the blonde girl. Like the blonde girl switched all the time. >> And it went but but but Janet or Janice like she never switched. It was always >> Yeah, she was always >> What was really funny if you watched the last episode of Thre's Company, Janet gets married and she marries the host that was the the the host of Supermarket Sweet.

So, it's like when I was watching on Nick, IT'S LIKE THAT'S THAT GUY FROM SUPERMARKET. What's going on there? >> Uh, Morgan Mindy, Happy Days, Happy Days, >> Fax Life, >> Life No Different Strokes. Um, >> yeah, >> there you have life. >> Um, uh, I I talked about this earlier, but but Inbetweeners isn't on the list.

I I think you >> Well, then then I'm not going to watch it. It's >> Yeah, you should you should you should all watch Inbetweeners. >> No, Perfect Stranger. >> Perfect Stranger. >> Oh, yeah. Perfect Strangers. >> I really love >> Full House. I mean, I don't >> Bosom buddies. >> I'm not really >> Oh, yeah.

>> Wait, who's the boss? Come on. That's >> Who's the Boss was awesome. Ted Dansen. No, not >> They had They had the Bob New Hart show, but they didn't have New Hart ON THERE. >> YEAH, THAT'S a good point. They didn't have New Hart. New Hart was I >> my tongue. >> That was even better. when Bob New Hart and I was like, "Well, New Hart's gota be coming up." >> New new New Hart.

>> New Hart was great. >> Tony Tony Danza. >> Tony Dan. >> This is This is This is uh >> There we go. >> Was Married with Children on. >> I'm Larry. >> Married with Children was not on there, right? But >> our family was >> um >> Hi, I'm Larry. This is my brother Daryl. >> My other brother. >> Daryl.

>> Coach. What about coach? >> Craig. >> Um, I I liked uh Dobby Gillis a lot as a black and white uh >> remember that >> sitcom. >> Um >> and how about the fact that when New Hart ended, it had the best ending of all time. >> They went back to the bed. >> Yeah. And then all of a sudden you wake up. >> It's a cliche ending now.

But >> it's a cliche ending, but at the time it was like all of a sudden Suzanne Suzanne cliche >> wasn't a lot of Saint Elsewhere also had that ending. >> Yep. It was everything was in the mind of the autistic child. >> Yep. >> Hey guys, I I got to go to bed. >> All right. Well, thanks for hanging out there, Scott Demer.

>> Have a good one. >> All right. Take care. >> Take care, brother. >> Bye. >> Was family ties on the list? >> No. No family ties. I mean, that's a lot of 80s stuff. >> Yeah. >> No Silver Spoons. >> That was not a good show, but I mean, I liked it. I was like, >> I remember one time I I remember one time I wanted to watch uh Silver Spoons.

And my dad said, "Well, who's in that?" And I was like, and I always remember this. I said I said, "Ricky Schroeder." He said, "Ricky Schroeder couldn't act his way out of a paper bag." >> Say that to me. Uh, Herman's Head was a good show from back in the day. I like >> would Kids in the Hall be qualified that Monty Popet comedy sketch comedy.

But Kiss in the Hall is [ __ ] amazing. >> I watched a lot of that. >> Oh, what about El? >> Oh, yeah. >> Moonlighting. >> Does Moonlighting count? >> Uh, >> no. Cuz it's not really a sitcom format. Yeah. >> Um, how about that? that that like and I've I know I said it's like a twominute skit on on uh kids in the hall, but the guy who has sarcasm as his speech impediment was just like the guy walks up to him like walks up to him.

He's like, "Hey, it's Dave Foley is the guy and it's Kevin McDonald walks up to him. He's like, "Hey, I don't really know anybody at this party and I just saw you standing over here by yourself, so I just figured, oh, I could just walk over there and introduce myself and maybe I wouldn't feel so awkward being at this party." He's like, "Oh, I'm so glad you came to talk to me." Like, "Why are you I'm sorry.

Am I bothering you?" "No, you're not bothering me at all." And he's like, "I don't know why you're being so mean." "No, don't go. I have a speech problem. I always sound sarcastic." He's like, "Are you are you serious?" He's like, "I'm totally serious. I wouldn't lie about something like that. It's like, you know what?

Screw you, buddy. Just walks away. I'm so lonely. Like, okay, obviously it can only go that long, but >> but rock and roll will never die. Actually, it will die. And I'm here to welcome the new age of jazz. Uh the um yeah well just such a such a such a good show. Uh good good good stuff. Um >> kid says, "Does moral oral count?" >> No.

And that wasn't that wasn't funny at all. That was just more depressing. >> Uh I wouldn't go for >> Freaks and Geeks didn't last long enough. >> I don't think it last long enough. Um, yeah. What other I mean what were so because third it was like remember they put all of the sitcoms together. It was like the the two hours of sitcoms.

It was like it was it was Cosby. >> Oh. >> Uh >> yeah. What was after that? >> It was Cosby and then it was a different world. >> A different world. And then then it was Nightcourt and Cheers >> or Cheers Nightcourt. >> And I remember I I just I always love Nightcourt more than anything. I just uh um with Bull and I mean and it was just like that >> Brent Spiner got his start there.

>> Yep. Yep. And I remember there was this whole thing where um uh uh Bull had this little tiny uh small TV so you could watch the things. And like um Dan ran for this whole bit. Dan was running for office for like to be like like the head district attorney for whatever and he was running for it and and he lost to a dead guy like basically the guy was dead but people were still voting for him so that guy beat him and he comes into the room and everybody's been picking on him and picking on him and picking on him and then like Harry's like watching the this little TV and he's like and he's sitting there and um and uh and he he he like hears over the radio and the final votes coming in, you know, it's like look at this, you know, it's like uh assistant attorney, you know, it loses to a dead man by over four AND HE JUST GOES A AND HE GRABS THE LITTLE TV OUT OF HIS HAND AND like throws it out the window.

And he just looks at uh he like, "I'm sorry, Harry. That was very rude of me. If you simply tell me um you know how much that was, I will of course replace it for you." He's like, "It wasn't mine." And he like and he looks over and he's like he asks everybody. He's going through everybody and then he gets a he's like, "Oh no." It's like and like Bull is like going to beat the hell out of him or whatever.

And he remember he takes off his watch like this like Rolex watch. Rolex watch $2,000. Puts it on the table, takes off his shoe and smashes it into pieces. He's like, "Thank you." So he says, Uh John Larette, he's still alive, too. >> Yeah. >> Um and that new night card's horrible, though. It's horrible.

>> Yeah, I've heard it was really bad. >> It's uh I tried >> the new night card. I tried to watch like >> Yeah, it was horrible. >> Christine's the judge or whatever. >> No, not Christine. Uh uh the girl from the Big Bang Theory. >> Yeah. And it's and they're they're saying she's Harry's granddaughter or something.

I don't know what it is. And then and then she convinces John Larette to come out of retirement to be like um the the prosecuting attorney or something like that. And it's it's just the most milktoast writing of all time. It's just there's nothing engaging about it. And I think it only lasted like two seasons or one, you know, because >> they couldn't get a rider to ride out of anything for it.

>> Yeah. No. Um, but I always enjoyed Nightcourt. Um, there was the big giant thing where uh like um when um John Marquette's uh Dan Fielding saves the life of like no, he helps a woman deliver a baby like it's stuck like somewhere. It's like the classic trope, right? I'm having a baby and I can't get to the hospital.

And he manages to get her to and then and then she says, you know, I would there's no way I would have done this. I would have died. Blah blah blah blah blah. I want you, you know, it's like, I'm going to name my my son Daniel after you. And he's like, well, that's that's that's, you know, not really my name.

>> And then and then she's like, well, what is your name? And then it just cuts away and doesn't say anything. And then they and then they're like, I'd like you to meet my son, Reinhold. And they're all like, Reinhold. And then the showrunner was Reinhold something. I forget what his name was, but the guy who who came up with the show.

Reinhold like Whis or Ouij or something like that was his name, but I thought that was that was a little nod to that as well. Man, what are the sitcoms? I I mean, it's tough to remember all these that like and I hate to Google sitcoms of the 90s, but uh no. Um, what was the uh >> Yeah, >> I just talk about it.

>> Third Rock from the Sun. >> Mad About You >> Wings. >> Not to dance. No, >> I never watched Wings. >> Home Improvement. Home Improvement wasn't on there. >> News Radio. >> Speaking of Home Improvement, that one kid is uh in the news again. the blog. >> Drew Cary show. >> Drew Cary. >> Drew Cary show.

>> King of Queens. >> I think [Applause] >> Martin. >> Um, Just Shoot Me. Um, I'm looking at this thing here. Hanging with Mr. Cooper. >> Head of the class. >> The 90s didn't have a lot of good sitcoms. No, they didn't. Arus. >> Aras. >> Um, >> Becker. >> Yeah. >> Step by step. That's Suzanne. >> Was Becker Was Becker the one where >> Not about you.

That's pretty good. >> Yeah. Was Becker the one that um uh Ted Dans >> Yeah. Ted Danc. >> Yeah, it was a Ted Dansen vehicle. Ted >> Dans just been around forever. >> The show on Netflix apparently is amazing. Oh, the one where he's the the like investigating the place or the old guy. Yeah, that is a good show.

>> Um and and uh um he was he was well he was really good in The Good Place. Well, he was uh fantastic with that. >> Never watched it. >> Oh, Frank and Nanny. I mean he was he was fantastic >> obviously. He was fantastic obviously. >> Yeah that show I mean that was on for a good long time. >> Oh the dad in that show was hilarious.

I I was always m I wanted that dad to have his own show just so you could just >> Yeah. I I wanted him to have his own show where he could just be gruff and mean you know the entire time. I I just I I when I first started watching it, I was just thinking because he was the villain in Robocop. >> Yes.

>> [ __ ] leave. >> Just just comes in, shoots the guy in the knees, and puts the grenade on the on the table. >> Uh >> Northern Exposure. >> Yeah, he was. >> Yeah, Northern Exposure is in my top five sitcoms all time, but >> I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if everybody liked it, so >> I never watched it.

There's so many of these novels. >> I love Northern Exposure. >> Parker Lewis Can't Lose. >> Yeah, I remember that one. >> Yeah, I I I really liked Parker Lewis as a kid. I don't know. But it it >> we were all Parker Lewis back then. Like it was our that age for us. >> Yeah, it was wanting to be uh Ferris Pewer's >> It was a Ferris Pewer.

>> Yeah. It had a pretty good soundtrack though. >> The Jason Baitman uh It's Your Move. Did you ever watch that? Like >> I remember it. >> Yeah. >> I >> um that was uh that was great. Uh the the um uh the it's your move. J Jason Baitman as he's all like Mr. uh uh like getting through and the guy that played um the next door neighbor's uh husband, God, I can't think of I can picture him played the foil to uh Jason Baitman's Young Wisecracker.

God, why can't I think of his name? >> Um It's Your Move is what is what it was called. >> It's Your Move. And it had like a like a >> Hasb been in TV since he was a child. >> Pretty much. Pretty much. >> Pretty much. >> He was It's Your Move. >> He was in Silver Springs, wasn't he? >> Was he? >> Yeah.

It's Your Move stars uh Matthew Burton, a teenage scam artist who lived in Vanise, California apartment with >> Yeah, he was the bad boy. >> His older his older sister Julie and widowed mother Eileene. Matt ran various underhanded dealings with his high school friends, especially his sidekick Eli. Um, and then basically the uh Norman Lamb, uh, David Garrison was the actor, moved into the apartment across the hall, quickwitted but impoverished writer from from Chicago.

And he was totally on to the fact that uh, that Jason Mid was a big scam artist, but he couldn't prove it ever. And I do remember there was this this this moment where because he wanted to date Jason's um uh uh he wanted to date his mom and Jason didn't want him to date and uh and he uh so he had this whole thing where he was going to pretend that they um uh took his submission because he was submitting he was writing stuff and he was submitting um all these like stories or articles or whatever to all these different publications.

And so they intercepted his mail and they he had his friend Eli write like, "Oh yeah, we're totally going to buy this article. We'll pay you this much money just to like screw with him." And um and so then he comes over and he's all like bragging about the fact that like uh he's like, "Oh yeah, I know.

I'll take you out to dinner tonight." And then Jason Baitman thinks it's like for real or whatever. And then he shows him the letter or whatever that he's like, "Well, you probably shouldn't have Eli write this because it has like all these typos or whatever." And he's like, "Well, if you knew that you weren't going to get the money, why are you taking my mom out?" He's like, "Well, I also got a letter from National Geographic and they're going to take my article about whatever and it's going to be in there.

It's going to be in there." And he's like, "September issue." And he's like, he looks at him, you know, because he always got he always got him back at the very end. David Garrison. Who's Adam Saddowski? Was he knew anything besides that? >> I was gonna bring up um I don't know if it counts as a sitcom, but The Adventures of Pete and Pete, I used to love that show.

>> I I think that counts as a sitcom. >> It's It's, you know, for for you know, kids, teens, but >> I remember watching that show and it was amazing. And they had like everybody and their uncle on that show. Uh, I I liked uh I liked Boy Meets World as as a as a kid. >> Oh, Boy Meets World. That's a good one.

Uh, hey, David Garrison, the guy who played uh um the Steve Rhodess, the the next door neighbor on Married with Children. Uh he like uh he's best he's now he's mostly known for playing the wizard uh on the um on on Broadway in the musical Wicked like he like that's that's crazy. You were just talking about Wicked and so that's what he uh >> full circle.

>> Yeah. I mean that's I mean I was like what else has Steve Rhodess done besides those like handful of shows and and then he's been but he had the role of Wicked in the first national tour as the wizard. Um that's crazy. I've always like wondered like how that happens, right? You know, you get like how you get a role and it's for that long on Broadway.

like how you could just do that same role every night >> just doing that that every like night after night like how could you keep up that energy like I understand totally if like oh I'm going to be in this movie you just have to do all the scenes then you do it once but to like go and like yeah you're you're supposed to like this is your role and you're going to do it four nights a week uh and a matinea on Saturday, you know, and just and and that's what you do over and over and over again.

I just I don't know. I don't know how you could do it. I I think you'd lose your mind. You're an actor. Uh they're they're uh >> Evan, >> what would what would you say about that? >> Hey, Evan, how's it going? >> I say about what >> what I just said. Like, how would I mean, you're like, "Oh, I I I was on a I was in a play that had a year-long run on whatever." I mean, apparently I mean, obviously, you're getting paid money, so you're just like, you know, so that's that that's that's a that's a good reason, but like I said, how it would get so boring.

It would get, you know, it's like, okay, here's here's my role and here's like and I'm going to I'm going to do it every the same time every single time and I got to do these same things. I mean, I can't I can't speak to, you know, that situation because I've never had that kind of role, but my guess is it would be just as exciting andor monotonous as any job where you show up and do the same thing.

>> I guess I don't know. I mean, I would equate it to maybe like uh thinking of like if if every day was uh every day was a convention and you had to pitch games every single day, >> right? Yeah. Like, you know, job jobs that don't have a lot of significant change from day to day can be monotonous, but you can also find joy in them.

So, you know, I don't know. I'd probably enjoy it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. I I just I feel >> I like to deliver pizza. >> I I I think it's just the energy of it like you have to like keep up that like level of you know I have to like and and it's just and like and it's the same thing like like again like over and over and over again.

>> Yeah. I mean, think about like the Scorpions, you know, when they tour, >> I have to, >> you know what I mean? Like, they're not playing like a bunch of new stuff. They're playing stuff they've played for 50 years, >> you know, like, and sure, yeah, maybe maybe there's no longer any love lost between the members or whatever, but but they're still doing it.

I don't know. I don't know. >> Yeah, I can't imagine. >> I think I would consider it a great and vast success if I ever was paid well to do the same damn thing for that long. >> The line from uh office space, what if we're still working at this, you know, 20 years from now? Oh, I would dream of that kind of >> Yeah.

of that job security. I would dream of that sort of job security. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah, if I, you know, it's like, uh, in the, in the acting world, there's this hilarious, well, hilarious to me when people are like afraid of being typ cast, you know, I'm like, wait, so what you're saying is >> you don't want to reliably be cast, >> you know, like that.

>> Well, people think they can do other things, right? >> Well, right. They don't want to be shoehorned into something. But >> sure, >> but if you're always going to cast me as this XYZ and it's and I enjoy it and I get a good paycheck, but I'll be XYZ all day long. Sign me up. Yeah, sign me up. >> So, is anybody watching Plurabus?

>> No, >> I've not yet. >> I I just I'm waiting I'm waiting till all of the episodes are out and then I'll just through it. Let's watch it. >> I I can't I can't stand having to wait, you know? I just It's just um >> That's so good. >> I mean, they're good because I'm going to look forward to watching >> the first season and >> I'm watching u >> I'm watching the new uh Crit or the Mighty Nine came out.

They're like >> uh Critical Role cartoon. >> Oh. So, here's sorry to to steer us back towards uh um a thing. Uh but there's a Kickstarter right now >> uh for Steve Jackson Games that is for the >> the the Fighting Fantasy book six through 10 >> like and and you get a little slipcase or whatever. And I was like, "Oh, I remember reading those things.

I remember I remember like uh and it's like fighting fantasy solo adventure uh 2000 set two five role playinging adventures and Ian Livingstone and Steve Jackson the classic series that part story part game you are the hero we I mean if you know what these are you know what they are I I I played these when I was a when I was young and and like you basically make a character and it's like a choose your own adventure but you also get to roll dice and and whatever >> you say connecting games is doing it.

>> Yeah. So, it's on there. It's doing well. It's the other Steve Jackson. Yes. >> Yeah. >> But it's on there. $147,000. I was like, "Oh, man." I was like the And it's like, "Oh, this is the Fighting Fantasy Slipcase set for $80." And it can, what does it do? It includes the Fighting Fantasy set two books, the full color set two slipcase, uh, any any stretch goals, whatever.

80 bucks. uh gets you gets you that stuff. Cool. Awesome. So, I thought to myself, like, you know, I man, I wonder if they I wonder if that's because this is set two, right? I was like, I wonder where I could get like can I get like the the first set, you I mean, that would be cool if I could get like the first set in a slipcase and then I could get this and I could have all of them or whatever, you know, blah blah blah blah blah.

So, I was just googling it and you can currently buy the book 6 through 10 like like on Amazon for like 35 bucks. And I was like, I got to be reading that wrong, right? You know, I mean, it's just like that that you know, but I mean, there they were. And it was like, well, why would I for the slipcase.

>> I was just like I don't I I I couldn't I just didn't understand it. I I couldn't >> It looks like uh a um uh because it it's not available in the US or it's there's not a US printing. So So if you're ordering it, you're ordering it a a like UK printing or something like that. >> But yeah. No, no.

It's in a in a globalized world that is not a not a thing. >> So when you're adventuring in in in those books, the colors is going to have extra 's and ease. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's going to be lots of extra U's scattered about. >> Yeah. I'm looking right here. Fighting fantasy RPG 6 through10 collection of five books.

$35 on Amazon right now. or I can spend $80 and get it eventually. I was just like, what? >> Maybe it'll come with a fancy sleeve. >> Well, it comes with the slipcase, right? You know, so I guess they >> maybe they'll put a sleeve over the slipcase. >> Maybe. You know what more board games need? They need a sleeve around them.

That's what they need. >> But uh speaking of Ian Livingstone and um they uh >> I I will take your silence. his agreement called >> sorry >> there's a there's an interview with >> I said I said what what what more what more board games need is sleep >> yeah those are great subt >> yes I remember how we uh used to care about that stuff I mean it's still a thing right like is it a selling point >> I'm sure I I haven't seen one in a while, though.

>> I >> I make fun of Tasty Mench for having the sleeves. Remember that? You remember those days? >> I I actually kind of think that if um if people did the um like, let's see if I can pull this up. People did did the uh this kind >> Oh, yeah. The bookshelf. >> Yeah. Like a bookshelf sleeve that was that was rigid and and nice and and looked classy, right?

like look looks bookie. I could see that being a a thing. >> Yeah. >> Um especially especially if it was um applicable to the title in some way like if if the if a the game is self-supported it, right? like if may maybe not, you know, flip seven or something like that in a in a book looking cover, but um but any any kind of fantasy or sci-fi game probably work.

Um >> yeah, but I mean you always have to try to put the slipcase back on. I just like toss them. >> Yeah. Uh well, so >> hard to get them back on >> the the I think in particular that approach uh with the Have Have you been in bookstores and looked at the the the amount of uh non-spine decoration uh like page edge decoration they've done on books lately?

>> Go. >> Yes. Yes. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yes. >> Yeah. And that's because people want like their their bookshelf to look cool when they got stuff on it. And and I think I I think doing something with that intent could have value. >> Sure. >> But but I agree that the uh the slip covers that um EMG was doing probably not accomplishing.

>> What would that add to the price? >> Uh >> like a dollar. that it's it's uh it's like adding half another box to the price. So, uh and in any game where there's uh a folding board in it, uh the box is usually the single most expensive component, but um uh I I think usually you would be talking about doing that in a Kickstarter.

And so it could be it it'd be easier to to meld it into the cost whereas it would be it would be kind of kind of annoying kind of irksome I think on a uh on a regular release >> costwise depends on exactly the game and how much margin was sitting sitting around that could be used. But uh um like like I know Yeah, it it would be Yeah, it would be kind of um um um needed a sleeve to protect my box sleeve.

>> Yeah. Um, I I I I look forward to when when somebody uh figures out um a good alternative to shrink wrap. Uh because >> yeah, >> because the uh >> the stickers not working. >> Wafer seals are are not it. Um >> I feel like there's a certain kind of box though they won't stick to. >> Yeah, there's >> there's like a vinyl like not vinyl but like a very smooth box that doesn't have the paper.

>> Yeah. know. Uh, did you did you see Canopy? >> No, not Canopy. >> Seven leaf. >> Seven Wonders. Middle Earth has an OB strip on it. >> You know what OB strip is? >> No. >> The The band that holds it on there. >> What? What? So Tim Lizner, you know, his company, what they did was they it was basically like brown paper bag >> material, you know, >> just like folded and taped.

>> I So >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, I did see that. So, so I I've I I've looked up that, but I I think Yeah, I think I think the problem is is that that doesn't doesn't hold up unless you're you're using like a Tyveck or something and and at that point it's it's kind of kind of >> Yeah, I'm not sure. I when I he I don't remember him saying that he had much problems with it during, you know, fulfillment or anything, but I don't know.

So, so the the like fulfillment to backers is not as big of a problem as uh stuff on store shelves specifically because people's perception of what looks like a new product uh is uh um is >> different and so so like a tiny nick in that thing will make it look like it's uh a garage sale item, right? Um, and uh, and and that's what the shrink wrap does is it makes it not look like that.

And and part of the problem with the wafer seals is is that if they get loose or do anything or the box ever comes slightly open from it, all of a sudden it it you it it's got that kind of loosey goosey raggedy feel to it when when somebody picks it up. Um, so so it's it's a presentation issue and uh and um and it it meaningfully impacts um sales.

So so fulfilling a Kickstarter with with uh an alternate thing with with wafer seals or with uh with a paper wrap totally totally viable thing. uh anything going into into retail. Um it's it's harder. Uh, and and also there's there's like like those those wafer seals like they're they're better than shrink wrap, but but by like a hyper as far as environmentally concerns go, but by like such a tiny margin because because their plastic is uh is actually um like it looks like a significantly smaller amount of plastic, but if you if you heat shrink uh shrink wrap plastic down, it It's actually a very small amount of plastic >> and it doesn't have um >> uh adhesive on it and and so so it's it's actually not >> significantly greener unless you use really weird ones that that are even worse for presentation value.

Anyways, sorry I'm I'm off on a tangent here, but uh but uh that that's the issue is presentation value on store shelves. Um, and um, and the longer the longer a product is on the store shelf with with one of those alternate methods, the more noticeable it gets that that uh that it's not shrink wrapped.

Um, >> interesting. >> Yeah. >> I mean, if you put in if you're just selling online, it wouldn't matter what >> it would, right? Like Yeah, that's that's that's the thing, right? like it it for for certain models uh it it it works just fine and and for certain companies that are big enough that that they'll still that they're like placing stuff always in Walmart or Target or something like that.

There's a there's a bit of a difference there, but but the but your your average company, your average product that's going on a retail shelf is it's awkward at best. Um, which is not to say that that can't or or shouldn't or whatever do other things, but but it's it it affects your it affects your sales unfortunately.

>> Um, >> something I just got had those little wafers on it. What was it? >> Drawing a blank. Something open. I I think I I think Robinsburgger does it consistently with wafers now. Um and uh I think you're right. >> But they but they are what I would consider big enough to that they can that they're still going to place their stuff on >> right >> the same shelves, right?

Uh anything in the hobby market as as as its primary thrust. Lance, do you feel differently on this? >> I mean, I don't know. >> A lot of these are Shane questions. I mean, I always battle with Shane on on like the the whole saving money like, you know, as much as possible, but also like, you know, presentation.

I mean, it took me forever to convince him that like our booth looked like a pile of hot garbage, you know? And I was just like, it's like we've published like 30 games. Shane, can we have a booth that looks like we maybe know what we're doing and we didn't just throw all this slop into the back of a pickup and the last second it drove down.

So last year he actually spent money on new banners like we were we were putting up banners to advertise like reavers of midcard. It was like we haven't it's like just like why he's like well it says Ray Fox on it. I was like, uh, you know, and like actual like, you know, getting actual real shelving and um, yeah, I was going to say this to you.

Do you like guys ever do like weird promos for your games or anything like that? >> Yeah, we we uh um we we haven't for the past couple, but but there we've tried to we've had a promo for uh at least 50% of the stuff we've done. I think we've had some kind of >> And do you sell them at conventions? like >> not not usually sell.

Usually we we'll use them as a um as a incentive. Um >> so I will I will just say I'm just going to tell you this right now flat on make up promos for all your games >> and and sell a card for $5 at conventions. It is like I mean I I won't say exactly the number but I must have sold you know uh at at BGGcon I mean I sold games but at BGcon I probably sold you know 75 promos people are walking up it's like oh I don't have this card or I don't have this like this card I have this card and it's like oh okay and then you can usually haggle with them so it isn't like five bucks a piece you're like well you're getting six I can charge you half, you know that.

And so you're selling them a card that cost you a penny maybe, but they're giving you $5 for it. And because people are because board gamers are completionists and they want everything. And so like you can get them in there. >> And and I finally like had been shamed because he said, "Hey," he always had a sign that said, "Ask me about our promos." And like and so like eventually people would.

And I eventually was just like, so I went by the CGE booth like a couple years ago or like last year and they had like literally just they had taken a canvas and put it in a standing easel and they had used this canvas and they had just basically taken one of each of their promos that they sell and they put them in a little baggie and they had taken a pin and just stuck it to >> the the canvas and so they were just out there and people would stop and they go, "What are these?" And then like we actually had them set up.

These are champions of migra programs. These are reception programs or whatever. >> And people were just like, "Oh [ __ ] Yeah, I need this one. I need this one. I need this one." And it's just like it's it's like taking candy from a baby. >> It's good. >> Yeah. It's just >> Do you know Do you know what game uh was rented two times at the BG library?

That would be after the Empire. >> Yeah. Yeah, it would. >> After the >> Hey, next, like I said, next year, >> next year I'm >> I'm gonna hand out I'm going to hand out a free promo to somebody if they just go and check out Noi Hyimat from the from the library. >> Is that even in the library? >> Oh, yeah.

I saw people checking it out. I saw one one guy check it out and I was just going to be like and I'm going to and then they're going to return it and I was like and when you return it, come back and I'm going to give you the promo and then you'll get it for free. And then the next person goes, "I want you to go over there and I want you to check out Noi Hymont.

I want you to bring it and I want you to bring it to me and I'm going to give you a promo and then you're going to take it back." And then at the end of end of BG cut next year, Noi Hymont GOT CHECKED OUT 112 TIMES. >> That is highway bribery. >> We're going to call shenanigans on that. >> Noihy is a great game and everybody needs to play Noi Highmont.

It is. It is. So on Sunday when we were shutting down library, I was like looking at the shelves and there's that whole shelf dedicated to Dante Inferno. Would you remember that? Did you see it? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's like literally like three feet long and like >> Mhm. >> And I said, "God, I wonder if anybody checked this out." And the guy standing next to me goes, "Oh, yeah.

I checked it out." >> And he's like, "Proceeded to tell me all about it." I'm like, "Oh, cool. >> Didn't we go over and look at those guys playing it when we were walking?" No, >> that was Primal. Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's another gigantic monster box. Although I think I I think in the library we only have the Yeah, I think we only have the one box.

Like I've got I looked at Primal in my garage. It's like it's six feet tall. Not six feet. It's like four feet tall, >> which is kind of just is the boxes are like >> a good six to eight inches tall filled with one pro with one mini or two two minis. I'm like, what am I going to do with this? How can I store this game?

Put it behind you. >> I wish they made a cardboard version. Just sell me a cardboard disc of that art. Like a top down view of the monster. That's all you need. >> So for those of you who are wondering what Noi Himod is, I just want to say >> No, we're not wondering. >> No, no, no. >> I mean, I I know what it I know what it is.

Check it out next year at BG. Get >> No. No. No. >> What does Noi Hama even stand for? >> It stands it so it it is it's like it is nonprofit. It was uh it was a it was a nonprofit construction and housing company. So it was like >> so it was in Hamburg, Germany. And then they they stole the name. >> Uh but uh it is it is 45 minutes of the most brutal like screw each other.

>> Yeah. Well, I mean Noyama was the name of this nonprofit organization. I believe they but it is >> Have we talked awesome photo that in the Borgge Geek website? the what now? >> There's an awesome photo of Noise Homer. >> Well, I I mean, there's several, >> but yes, it's it's it's bidding that allows you to completely screw people and like and and like and it's like and you know it, too.

Like, you know that, oh, if I bid this, that guy can totally f me, but I can't do anything because I have to bid this. And so, you just got to like hope hope that like, you know, they they they want to go for that. like is it better for them to like go for um money or to to just nail you and Oh man, it's so good.

>> Yeah, >> I'm looking for I can't find it >> about building the highest highest scoring houses in three building rows. The level >> What's the one with the little ladders? >> That's um climbers. >> Climbers. The climbers. >> Yeah, >> the climbers. Please. >> The levels. So, this is what it says about Noama.

The levels are different colored cubes with numbers from 1 to six that are dealt via auction each round. The first one of a new color you purchase fixes this color as yours for the rest of the game and for the final scoring. Players also bid for additional pieces to shorten or lengthen the lanes and rooftops to finish the houses.

And then, you pay with your uh you pay with your checks. Each of these a million euros. You can establish an illegal cash box counting the final scoring. Yeah, the climbers. Good stuff. >> Uh, also also from Chili Spiel, uh, the climbers. >> Uh, >> right. That's why I always get mixed up. >> And then the best part, >> can you share that photo on your screen?

There's a there's a hidden thing in this thing I want to talk about in this photo >> in the climate. >> I sent you a link. Noi Hyimat will easily be the most checked out game of BGGcon 2026. I'm telling you that right now. >> Um, yeah, hold on. You know, you can share, too. >> You want me to do it? >> No, I got it.

>> So, I'm going to give you a clue. Like, go full screen with that image. Like, try to like blow it up and everything. Even bigger. >> That's what I got. >> One more. There you go. Now scroll down. Do you see the shadows of the ladder? Anything stick out to you? >> There's an A. >> Well, there's a little thing hanging on the shadow.

>> Oh, is this like a It's Oh, it's a It's a bug. >> Yeah. You see that? Isn't that great? >> It's a mosquito. >> It's like a big old mosquito. >> Yeah. Like this is like a preset up game that like looks really awesome and like the little mosquito hanging out. >> That's hilarious. >> They snapped it perfectly.

>> That's hilarious. >> I think I left a comment like 10 years ago. Yeah. Did you find the mosquito? January 5th, 2008. Look at that. >> So good. Anyway, >> hey, I thumb that up. All those >> Yeah, you did. We Here's I know we've talked about >> I'm gonna take it back. We've talked about it on the show before.

You probably did it last time we talked. >> Maybe >> I repeat this. >> Uh yeah, I gotta make you play Noi Himmon with me next year at BGcon. It's it's it's a brutal game and and you can laugh and laugh and laugh as I get screwed over and you be like, "Oh no, what happened? >> Did you lose your buildings or your buildings are worth no >> what happened to your house?

>> Does everybody build their own house or what?" So the whole the big the big trick in Nohiimat to put it put it quickly is that it ends when the second row is built and there's three rows. And if you've if you are heavily uh you don't get to score the third row. And so if your best scoring things are in that third row, you start racing to try to like, you know, you're trying to basically make sure that the one that has your big time money and your big- time points gets completed.

And you don't want that to be not completed. So the bidding really starts to get hammered on. And then what happens is like you know somebody always ends up getting completely and totally screwed >> because because there because the the third row doesn't score and the two that get completed does and you're like oh all of your expensive buildings were over here but they didn't get completed Lance.

Oh what happened? What happened? I can already see you right >> doing that. >> Uh >> that's cool. >> Like the godamn gobbler. Damn gobbler. Poor gobbler down. The wrong way. >> He turned around. He's going the wrong way. >> What's going on, Lance? >> I HOPE NOBODY BET ON THE GOBBLER. LANCE, you bet on him twice.

>> What a jerk. >> It's never It's never not funny. >> Still funny. Have you played that game yet, Andy? >> I have not. I don't think >> you heard of it or have you played it? >> Streak. >> I've not. >> It's basically mascot races >> and people, you know, it has it's like a you see every card in the game at the beginning except for a few and everybody gets a hand of cards.

>> Yeah. >> And then everybody puts one card in. So you see all the cards in the game, then everybody puts one card in, shuffle up, burn three, and then do the race. So you don't have perfect information and then you you run it till everybody's either eliminated or crosses the finish line. >> Oh, I've I've seen that.

>> But you do you do two rounds of betting. You it's a it's a snake draft of betting. You bet like win play show tickets. If you if you do them risky, they make less money on the place in the show, but they make a lot more money on the win. >> So you have to decide when you take the bet to flip it to risky or not.

And there's a there's a prop bet like will at least one character be eliminated from this match or you know like or something like like some prop bet that'll >> like will there be more than two people at the finish line >> you know during the game like okay >> and you just it's like a simple it's really simple >> once you put the cards on it's just it's just running the run itself it runs itself you know >> and you can kind of like do a little announcing as it goes.

Oh no, the fish guy fell down. >> Oh no. >> Yeah, just And then at the end you can score like you start with $10 and I ended up with seven. >> Everybody else is like I got 35. I didn't like the winner had >> I got I got 61. >> It was like 61 and like 56. >> Either Shelly Shel or Christina had like $60.

>> Yeah. And everybody's going around. How many you How much you have left? Seven. I had $7. Look at him. Look at him. This is >> so funny. Like it just it's just so great. >> See, it makes >> like I just didn't care that I didn't win. It's just that Le didn't win. >> And then and then you forget you forgot about the stories after.

>> Oh yeah. So every dollar value at the end of the game has a story. >> Do you remember your story? >> Yes, I do. I spent I spent my you spend your $7 on a $6 hot dog, >> right? >> Oh my god, it's just so great. Ah, >> and they have a fun thing where they assign each person a role like you're the banker, you're the only one that moves the racers, you're the one that flips the cards, you're the one that, you know, like >> Yeah, it's good stuff.

>> It's good stuff. >> All right, it's almost 1:30. I suppose we should just go to bed. >> Do you guys want to stick around after it and watch my my new uh my new little short film? >> Yes. How long is it? >> About 14 minutes. >> I can do it. >> Yeah, >> I want to, but >> or you can play it now. >> Well, I don't want to play it on on the air.

>> Okay, sure. >> All right. Good idea, everybody. I don't know if I'll have it next week or not. It really just depends on what I end up doing for my birthday, which I haven't decided or thought about at all in any way, shape, or form. So, >> cool. >> All right. Live stream