Rebels Against Rebellion (C-) I think it's a wargame - Kickstarter Critique Review

0:00 a Kickstarter critique where I take a look at a different Kickstarter tabletop game project every weekday at 1:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, except times like today where I'm 5 minutes late. But right now, I'm actually very interested to be checking out Rebels Against Rebellion, which is sitting as the eighth most popular project in all the Kickstarter games right now. Uh, looking at the main image, it looks war gamey. It looks historically e. It looks It doesn't look like anything amazing out from the outside, which is disappointing because I'm sure there's going to be some awesome stuff on the inside. I think we should spotlight from David Thompson and Trevor Benjamin. Undaunted and resist. There we go. That's how we lead off a card game about a Tennessee county that battled secession. Now, I do love that great catch on the like if I'm a gamer, I read that. I say, "Oh, I know those games." Awesome. Even if I don't know those games, I say, "Okay, those are games that that exist." So now this person is credible. Can you do it? Feels good. Still main image definitely feel like it could be spruced up. As always, before we get into the video, I'm thinking of three things. Do I want it?

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1:35 Hi, I'm Denver with Flying Pig Games. And in this Kickstarter, we're going to be bringing you guys this awesome game called Rebels Against Rebellion by David Thompson and Trevor Benjamin. You guys probably recognize their names. They are award-winning designers. This is their first American Civil War game. And in this game, you're going to be playing actually as the people of Scott County, Tennessee, defending your homes against the um Confederate States of

1:58 So, this is nice. I don't mind this, but I wish instead of looking at the hair in the box, it was like showcasing what the board looked like or what I was defending. Like, showcase that to me cuz I'm sure they're going to cut to it. Would have been nice if it was overlaid underneath it.

2:10 America Rebels Against Rebellion is a card driven game by the awardwinning design.

2:14 Yeah, just like that. ers, David Thompson and Trevor Benjamin in this twoplayer game.

2:19 Didn't we just say that?

2:21 Thompson and Trevor Benjamin.

2:23 Okay. Um either way, I would have some of the pictures of the games they had if we're going to do that.

2:29 The people of Scott County, Tennessee, defending your homes against the um Confederate States of America. Rebels Against Rebellion is a card- driven game by the award-winning designers David Thompson and Trevor Benjamin. In this two-player game, you're going to be either taking control of the Royalist of Scott County or the Confederates, which are the invading force. Additionally, David and Trevor have included a solitary expansion. I have a video on our YouTube channel talking about that. In order to win Rebels against Rebellion, there is a victory point system that is based on controlling locations. So, you want to control the most locations to get the most victory points. As the loyalist, you actually get to start with 11 victory points because you are controlling enough locations for that. Um, and then you either get to 20 to win or you wait until the food runs out. So, food was a big factor in this actual historical event and it's also a big factor in this game. So, like I said, this is

3:23 I like that added nice little touch right there. And this is what I always say, a personal touch could do the job of like and this is doing the job. Could it be better? Absolutely. But is it doing the job? Heck yeah. I'm interested in the game. I wish they would have put one to two players. I still need to know the time length on this one. Uh but the pedigree of the designers. I'm seeing cards, iconography, symbology. It all looks good. Those are all the same thing.

3:48 Card driven. It's kind of a deck builder in that way where you are actually um gaining cards depending on locations that you are able to acquire and you're also able to upgrade those locations and you're also able to bolster the units that you have in your deck. You're drawing a hand of five cards at the end of every one of your turns. And these cards are going to enable you to defend the um

4:10 there's a lot going on right now and it is almost too much going on. Now granted, I have ADHD so I'm really good at thinking that when other people like I don't feel like there's that much going on. Uh but uh I feel like they're string that straddling that line very well because it is a lot. It's the music, it's the talking, it's the things all going on in the background, but I think they're they're balancing it well. locations that you have control of to fight and to also gain food and to also add units to a new location. So, don't miss out on this awesome game. You're going to get the best discounts possible in this Kickstarter and you're also going to be able to take advantage of all the really exciting stretch goals that we have for you. Um, yet again, I'm Denver from Fine Pig Games. Um, if you have any questions, please feel to reach out. We try to respond to all comments and everything. Um, don't miss out on this great game.

5:01 All right. Looks good. And here's the thing. This this is it feels like it's in its own separate lane sometimes. Deeply historical games. Like I don't feel like most people compare like say Twilight Struggle to a lot of other games or like the the 1969 or the voting games. But so I feel like it's its own separate lane to a certain extent. And I feel like for that lane, this video was very well done because I have seen a lot of games in this lane of like, oh, cool. I think it's cool because I'm a nerdy historical person who likes to go to places and see where battles were fought. Okay. But most people like um and I feel like they did a good job on this video and some of those videos don't. So after the video, do I want it? Yes. Can you do it? Yes.

5:48 You mentioned the pedigree of the game designers. Uh I wish they would have mentioned a little bit more of how much they've done in the past. That would have been nice. like the the publishers themselves, but still looks good. And then how much is it? I don't know. But I don't expect it to be too terribly expensive based on the components that I saw. Cubes, cards. So hopefully it'll we don't beat around the bush. We get to the price relatively quickly and it's a good price. Put that sucker on the main image. All right. Mark H. Walker designs games. This is what I'm talking about. 32 created projects. Like that's Wait, wait. Every So what he has written four novels, several short stories, and hundreds of articles for publications. So he's done a whole bunch of stuff. Okay. So 65 squad battles in the jungles of Vietnam. Old school tactical Pacific West. Yeah. Magazines and urgent. Okay. So I'm interested to see how well these are doing. Yeah. 15,000 73,000 23,000 127,000. Just getting a barometer, right? Because it's like war games. I don't particularly cover war games a lot. So I don't know how much war games are making. What's a great war game?

6:51 Because this this I don't think is a game. Isn't this like a set of rules even? So, yeah, but they they sold those. I'm afraid I didn't get the survey. I emailed them. Good customer service on you, Denver. Excellent. Old school tactical. Let's make sure people go 45 comments. Yeah, probably not a flaming doubles for fire. Great update. Looking forward to getting the copy of the thing. Yeah, cool stuff. Looks good. Looks like good customer service. And once again, when you're And that's what I said. I guess what I said I said in the in that war in the history game lane that they are in. You can lump war games in there as well. And I feel like when war gamers just expect less. Go look at a war game rule booklet and then go look at a complex Eurogame rule booklet and tell me that rule booklet writing has not evolved for one of them and not evolved for the other one. It just feels like war games a lot of the times it just feels like they settle for less. uh especially the rule booklet form. So I feel like they expect less and so it's just they're blowing out the doors with good customer service, good production quality. Can you do it? Yes. Yes. Oh, actually I should probably click on the one that is actually a game. So yeah, let's check out Relic Wards and Old School Tactical France Volume 5 before I just go tooting their horn because they do have good customer service. But I guess that all that stuff I don't know if that was games or not. These are games. Arrived today in Melbourne, Australia. Great. So if they're getting that in Australia, then yeah, I'm not too worried about that. Relic Wars. Did people get this one? It's got minis. Oh, that's scary. Are those pewers? Did you ever decide to relaunch this? I still Oh, so this one coming back in the

8:22 future probably after maybe they cut their teeth on this one, but more with board games. Who knows? So, can you do it? Yeah. Looks good. Looks like a company on the come up hopefully. And I say that like not in a negative way. Like they have 32 projects. So clearly, but I mean in the board game spear, not the war game spear because those are different. I know nothing about the war cape spear. I see them from time to time at Gen Con and conventions. One or two players 60 minutes ages 14 plus. Slap that on the marquee. That's great. That's 100% great. You know, honestly, if you would have told me this was a three-hour game, would you like if you look at this game, Rebels against the Rebellion, and I said this was a three-hour game, you'd be like, "Yeah, okay." If I said this was a six-hour game, you're like, "Wow." You like, "Yeah, okay." But then they say, you know what I'm saying? So when it's 60 minutes, that's a pleasant surprise. 60 minutes solo game. Immediately you lured in a whole new crowd here, right?

9:14 So, I feel like that needs to be on the marquee. That's got to be on the marquee or the description. Just 100%. This is a story of the free and entered blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. A deck building area control game for one or two players. Cool. Neat stuff. Just hit me with the price. Solo preview play. Neat pictures of stuff. Take it. I just just hit me with the price already. And the shipping. All right. There it looks set up. That looks great. I'd love if that was part of a of an area where I could give you money and you could tell me about the list. There's the components. Okay, we're doing this old school here. That that board looks nice. I want to play that. Solitire in Rebels Against Rebellion. The solitary expansion is including the base game in the solitary version of Rebels Against Rebellion. Take control of the sky. Hey, there's somebody talking about it. 10 out of 10. Hopefully. Yep, there's the video if you want to see it. Awesome. How to play.

10:02 Excellent. This is great. That's great stuff right there. Why it still don't have a price? Why don't you have a featured pledge? Organize over here a little bit so at least because here's the end of the day. You're like, "Well, you keep complaining. You keep complaining." Well, here's what else am I going to do, right? I see that I go over here, which if you're on iOS or mobile is an extra click. But over here, they don't even have the tab. So, it's not like I just be like, "All right, I can just click on pledge." So, you got to scroll through it all. There's a big Is that Oh, there's a lot of videos. That's great. I put some quotes from these. All right. 40 bucks. Are you kidding me? Why did you take 15 minutes to let me know that this game from two designers that I probably have played a game from and like is is 40 bucks. Now, maybe the early bird's gone, in which case, you know, put something over this. But this should be at the top. Like, it is not a big This feels like a old school Kickstarter project in the aspect of, "Oh, yeah, they actually need the money to make this, right?" Like, that's what it feels like. And you're like, "Well, duh. That's what Kickstarter is." And I say, "Yeah, but but but don't you get the feeling with a lot of companies, you're like, you don't need to put this on here. I understand why. I'm not knocking it. I I understand it's a smart financial business decision. I had no means of knocking that, but I'm just saying this feels like a true Kickstarter. I would put this 100% higher. People want people want to support this. And the fact that you mentioned there was stretch goals. Why have we talked about them? You're 50.

11:20 You're at five times your pledges. I am 16 minutes in. You're telling me that every single piece of information that I have seen before this piece of information is more important than those stretch goals? Heck no. Because it's not hard to sell me on $45. And with stretch goals, you're even going to sell me more. Early bird deluxe pledge. So, what's this? It comes with that. Why is this so far zoomed out? Uh, so it gets me uh only for the first 30 minutes. Well, Jesus, that is terrible. Mark, what are you Is it Is that like that amazing of a price? It's $5 off and you have to be here in the first 30 minutes. You couldn't give me an hour. You couldn't give me a day. LIKE A DAY. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. AN HOUR. GOD, NO. 30 MINUTES. MAKE IT 30. Was Mark Did Mark have to be talked off of 30? Was it originally 15? Why not five? If you wanna If you want to get some buzz, make it two two minutes. Like, this is ridiculous. This is I'm a third of a point grade bump down. I am not the guy.

12:17 If you've watched this segment, I've done the segment 12,200 times. I'm not the segment I'm not the person who complains about early birds, but you found a way to irk me about early birds, which means I imagine you irked a good deal of people with that early bird right there. And all you got to do is just not remind me. just get rid of that and be like, "Oh, by the way, that stupid 30 minute thing." Like, because that is just the fear of like what the 30 minutes. I didn't even realize that was a setting you could do. Okay, I'm done. I'm done pounding that drum. But wow, let's go on to this uh $14 price jump. It's not a big price drop. It should be easy. One embroidered velvet bag, which is, you know, it's black. Okay. One deck for your cards with Rebels against Rebellion art. Neat. and all those unlocked stretch goals that we haven't talked about yet.

13:05 Normally I Okay, what is it? And then 65. So, normally I don't feel like this deluxe pledge would be seven to 10 times to one, which is the industry standard for you're doing great selling your deluxe version. But I think it's going to be a lot closer than it should be. Specifically because we are in that that war game history game lane that people expect so little. Um I do believe so. I'm going to speculate that they're still going to hit 710 times one despite the fact I feel like they're doing a terrible job selling this. 20 bucks though for a velvet bag in a box. Is that it? No. No. They're not. They're not hitting that. That this is going to be I can't this is going to fall on its face. Like, no, I don't care if you're in the history game. That doesn't feel good at all. $20 for a box that you're getting printed on. Which, by the way, I I mean, I worked as a manufacturer. Not expensive embroider bag. Okay. But 20 bucks, that just feels bad. And maybe that's why this is so low. We're like, we're ashamed of we're going to bury it all the way at the bottom. But Jiminy Christmas, it feels bad. Yeah, let's go check. 65 bucks. 343. People are like, nope, don't care. Give it to me. 373.

14:18 No, THEY DID NOT. OH MY GOSH. And that is why you should check out that Fiverr link down below if you are interested in Kickstarter services because if you would have came to me pre-launch, I could have told you that that price and that description, that is not going to get you the fruit you want. Uh, I thought the history game lane would help them, but let's all let's check out the early birds. Let's see how many they snagged in the first 30 minutes. 30 minutes. What the hell? 94 and 90. So I can't imagine the the the most of the comments are going to be people complaining if I go to a certain point in time. That is just such a bad decision. I think one third two-3 of a boy like you go like 30 minutes you are literally saying you have to organize your life around my Kickstarter launch you're in a movie no like what you're on an airplane RESCHEDULE YOUR FLIGHT IF you want those $5 off 2/3 I'm going two/3 cuz I imagine that's why it's so far buried down here I they I have to be ashamed of that. Like, what in the world? Mark, what are you doing?

15:37 And I And I'm sorry. I should not be a sexist and assume this is Mark. Maybe it's Denver. Maybe it's Denver. I don't think it's Denver. I don't think it's Denver. I think that's Mark. Maybe it's a third party. I don't know. I just Wow. Oh, hey, stretch goals are awesome. Spiralbound rule booklet. That's fantastic. People love spiralbound rule booklets, especially with the historically themed thing and the history. Showcase this, spotlight this up higher. That's going to make that $20 price jump more palatable, right? And I know that this is going to be in both the standard but in the deluxe. But in the at the end of the day, when I'm looking at it as a $65 proposition when I say, "Oh, it's a spiralbound and the linen back like it all lumps up together, I think, in a lot of people's minds." So that's super disappointed. Second Spiralbound rule booklet included in the game. That's cool. I love that. Uh, as a gamer, is the game that complex that I need it?

16:33 Hopefully, you got a lot of history in these like you're doing it that aspect and a lot of like uh Votes for Women did a fantastic job. Go, if you like history games, go check out the Votes for Women unboxing. They had so much cool stuff in that box. So, hopefully they do that. Crowdsourced idea 75,000 bucks mystery. Um, well, here's the thing. I will give them some good news and because essentially normally I'd say that I I just don't see them hitting that. But they might they got a Hail Mary. I'm covering it, but that's that that's nothing. That's small potatoes. But more importantly, Board Game Beat covered it. I want to give them a shout out. Eric Martin uh spun off from from Board Game Geek and he does board game beat news. And this is the only board game news aside from just randomly scrolling Reddit that I think is really worth utilizing. Like maybe I'll go back to to Board Game Geek every once in a while, but it's still Yeah.

17:22 Board Game Beat if you're And that's the box. That's a $20 box. And this is the two. So that's $10 and $10. Are you kidding me? That's That doesn't feel good. That doesn't feel good at all. And it's it's Oh man. Yeah, that feels terrible. Are you manufacturing in the United States of America? cuz I would be shopping around cuz especially considering that. Yeah, that just feels like you're gouging there a little bit. And I bet it's cuz they're doing such a small print run and I'm looking at this through the lens of No, it just feels bad. Yeah, that just feels bad. That's just a box with the artwork.

18:07 Like that's that's a stretch goal. That's a nice stretch goal. That's this that's a stretch scrolling. Like honestly, if you had a poll and you said, "Hey, would you rather have this extra box or would you rather have an extra rule booklet, I think you might have more people on this one. I'm just saying probably relatively around the same price as well." Nah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's two very different products. And most of the time people Okay, because essentially what this is is this is just a a a tuck box, right? This is just a a tuck box. Probably holds about 100 cards. It's Yeah. Uh and then that is a bag. Yeah. Shipping. Here we go. I am curious. Let's check out the the rule booklet there. What do we got going on? Hopefully they utilize the back of it very well and don't just have artwork.

18:55 Don't do it to me. Thank you. Wow. Imagine since we hit that stretch goal, two of these useless pieces of art being displayed on your table as you forget a rule or the turn sequence of something. Chef's kiss on making sure that now there's two pieces of useless information on the table. $20. God. Okay, now I'm curious about the size of the game. Okay, because it's I Okay, but what's 85? So, it's $65. Man, I can't help I would have honestly just went free shipping on this. I think that would have been I think that probably wouldn't have been the play to just I don't know.

19:41 Maybe not. But like lump it into the cost, right? Because at the end of the day, here's the here's the thing. This is a $65 game from two established designers. Even though I don't feel like they did a spectacular job after the first, you know, minute really showcasing that as much as you might like, which let's do it right now. See if it's it's Yeah. So, wow. Okay, there you go. Copy and paste that. Then you put it on your page and I say, "Holy crap." And then you really impress me. instead. You mentioned it two or three times in one game they've done. Wow. Just war chest. IT'S FROM THE WAR CHEST GUY. And how cool is it? Oh my gosh.

20:31 David Thompson take a picture. Super cool. For the history books. It currently has the number 182 and 183 games of all time. And they're completely unrelated. That's so neat. Like what? Look at this. Look at this pedigree of game designery. That makes that $20 price more palatable. that makes that $20 shipping more palatable. Like the end of the day, this is a $65 core game from two very wellestablished designers. That is $5 more than MSRP what it used to be like five years ago. That should be a slam dunk home run, no questions asked, easy sell. And to see these pledge breakdowns of like even look at that, LOOK AT THAT. Even during the early birds, you still had more people who are like, I don't want your useless crap, you you're get ah I and it's like I don't I don't know like cuz what were they thinking just internally I'm wondering after 30 minutes when they saw the disinterested 5050 shrug of the deluxe pledge. Cuz once again to clarify, if you are selling it well, the industry standard is 7 to 10 times to one. Your deluxe should be over your standard if you're doing it great. And they're barely they are below one to

22:02 one. And it's and and once again, I repeat myself. This is a $65 game from two very highly accredited designers. This should not have been difficult to have those numbers be way different, but they just sold it so poorly. And it doesn't feel like a good value. And it I o this is one of those times where it's like, yeah, well maybe the stretch go should have been stuff that upgraded the deluxe pledge, which people complain about that all the time, but wow. Okay. Live play through tonight with the designer David Thompson. Awesome. Cool. Thanks for showing up for the two-player playthrough. That is that's one comment, right? Like that's that's stinks. I'd ask a question. Updated shipping rates posted. Were they worse?

22:54 I hope you're all well. We met with our film department to get the most accurate and updated shipping rates for this campaign. Goodness is that many region shipping rates. Oh, they were worse. Wow. Okay. So, they were worse around the world. What size is this box? Like I that would really help me maybe swallow the price a little bit better, too. Great news about making the BG hotness list. I'm telling you, board game beat effect. Woohoo. Second rule booklet unlocked. That's nice. It is nice. It's not. I'm not going to disregard. That's a nice one, but it's just man, it's in the standard. Just a second to say thank you. All the backers really mean so much. Still trying to find a way to add a second copy to my already pledged early bird. Thank you. Hey Jane, this is so uh the shipping reduction to Australia is much appreciated if I buy two copies. Hi Deborra, thanks so much for the lovely thing stuff. Okay, apparently nobody else has anything else to say about the organization and the layout of the Kickstarter page. I can't even believe that people weren't like I want to go all the way to the bottom. I want to see the the guy that was 30 or the gal that was 31 minutes in. I'm like WHAT THE HELL? WHO THE WHAT? Kangaroo court. Looks like you made funding pretty fast. Any plans for a free State of Jones expansion or maybe a sequel?

24:12 Yeah, just give me free stuff. Wow. Who's Okay, little presumptuous there. Lee, why can't I show third? What? Why can't I see the rest of the comments? That's interesting. Uh, and actually had family that fought in both. I'm glad to know that you cited first date and early bird's no longer available. What the hell is that? Thank you, Matt. I'm sorry that you weren't able to get an early bird. We publicized the early birds of their availability heavily for a month. I guessed I guess this is the play, right? Like Yeah. Well, next time they'll be here in the first 30 minutes, will they? Additionally, we're finding several ways for potential backers to be notified at launch. Yeah.

24:58 Like I like I was like industry standard be damned. It's you should have been ready. I subscribe to their YouTube channel. Denver gives a lot of notice on upcoming projects. Are you uh Oh, okay. Tommy's saying that. I thought Mark was saying that. I thought Mark was saying, "Oh, yeah. I'm subscribed to the Okay. Okay. Okay. Let's get to a final grade. This one's all over the board. This is a fun one. Do I want it? Yeah, I do. I really do. I am a historically themed nerd. The first two minutes of the video was a nice personal touch telling me a little bit about the game and why I could be excited. So, do I want it? Yes. Also, at the end of the day, keep that core concept in your mind that the MSRP on this game from two highly prestigious designers from a game company that's made numerous games in the past to ship them out is only $65. That is a good price. If I just told you that in a bubble, you'd be like, "Oh, that feels like this. That's great, right? Can you do it?" Yes. Not worried about that.

26:10 Could you have spotlighted that? way way like literally like there's like this like those are just the sky Trevor Benjamin has his own awakened realms style award list which by the way Trevor I would make that graphic and then I would have that graphic continually updated and any company that you work with would be like hey by the way I would like this graphic included in your Kickstarter page and be like it's not for me It's for you. It immediately lends so much credibility just because at the end of the day, yeah, maybe these are war game stuff, right? Like, oh, but they're not all and it doesn't matter if they are war game stuff. Nobody's taking the time to intricately look at these awards. Yeah, those aren't those aren't all white games. Okay. Either way, cater to it is a resounding yes. And how much is it the price? Whoa, boy. We beat around a bush for a long time with a lot of stuff that probably should have be no way, shape, or form above the price. We didn't doll up anything on the left side. We have the worst early bird structure I have ever seen in,200 Kickstarter critiques. Congratulations, Rebels against Rebellion. You have done it. I've been thinking about it since I saw that 30 minutes and I was like, is this the worst early bird I've ever seen in my entire life? Which once again, I've seen a lot of them. Yes, you pulled it off. I feel like that by itself is a

27:42 full point CR bump out. Like like if I can ever say that I think you did something worse than every other Kickstarter project that I have ever seen before, then yeah, that's a full point grade bump down just on top of everything because the 30 minutes is stupid. Everyone who doesn't get there is going to be annoyed and your market immediately told you that your price was bad. It was bad. They were your most loyal fans. They made the time to show up 30 minutes and they're like, "Ah, you want the deluxe? IT CLOSES. IT CLOSES IN 30 MINUTES. YOU GOT IT. I don't need that. Oh boy. And that is just the hugest like it it it feels like this is a company that is slowly hopefully getting pulled kicking and screaming out of the war game category and more into the board game category when it comes to expected industry standard because this main image could be a banger. this. There could be so much on this page that would be a banger where you would not even think twice about $65. Why do we just Why do we just do the true deluxified and be like, "This game is beautiful. We got stretch goals playing. It's $65.

28:57 That's it. $65. You get this. You get these two extra things and it's nobody bats an eye." Like, nobody bats an eye at that point. It's the fact that you put the $45 there in the first place and then you expected us to believe that these two completely unnecessary aspects to your game are supposed to be $20 or for your your most loyal fans $19. What are we doing here? And then $20 shipping United States of America, which feels terrible because YOU SHOULD HAVE SUBSIDIZED SHIPPING UNITED STATES OF America like the majority of people here are going to be from the United States of America no matter what. on Kickstarter, but especially considering your game is about the civil freaking war. Like, oh, hey guys, we like great. I'm great. There's more Australian backers than 22, but you know, would that be more than It's just just the priorities feel off. Either way, this game looks awesome. I'm excited for it. Final grade is a is it in the middle? I think it's in the middle, but then that stretch go that just like why? And I can't help but think that that's the only reason why they put their shopping section so incredibly far down the page is that they were ashamed of it. Like I'm legitimately curious. I want to see on these other two board games if this is just their technique or if they actually mention the price earlier on because it's just oh stretch goes up high.

30:28 That's exciting. That's fun. And then add-ons. Hey Sean, the price seems pretty okay. It does. It really does seem very actually solidly and okay. It's just of how they presented it and you could tell seven to 10 times industry standard. They didn't even hit one. Is that Yeah. Why are we wasting our time getting this shot? Yeah. Okay. I don't know. Final grades. Um boy howdy. C. I think it's a C because these designers are slam dunk home run, right? Like there's just they're going to bring people to this potentially if you just spotlight it. This theme also same thing. It's just going to bring people in. You being in this historical lane also is going to give people a little bit more sympathy, leeway, whatever you want to say with like just being a little bit behind the industry standard, I think. And yet still you underwhelmed massively on your deluxe version. And it's not it's not me saying it. It's it's the people like not even breaking one to one on deluxe to standard. And it's just the decision not to pivot after the first 30 minutes more people like yeah I don't need that crap.

31:48 your most loyal dieh hard fans. Like, I'm surprised it's even as close as it is now. Okay. So, yeah, I'm going to go C minus Rebels Against Rebellion. Um, really interesting one. I'm excited to see what their next project looks like looks like. I I I sincerely do believe that that is the worst early bird that I've ever seen in my life, though. But let me know in the comments below what's your final grade for Rebels against Rebellion. And have you ever seen a worse stretch goal down or not stretch goal uh the word that I said down below? And tomorrow special shout out stamp ship tactics launching.

32:34 Got to be checking it out. Have yourself a good one. Bye-bye.